Craig Birkmaier wrote: > Sorry Bert, buy if you must pay for the content it is walled. It does > not matter how many sources there are yo BUY that program. Nonsense, and you should know that. An outlet that is a monopoly has a lot more latitude in the prices it can charge, than competing outlets that sell the same products. This is fundamental, Craig. Once again, the most obvious, first order reason would be markup. And there are more reasons why. > You must still pay the oligopolies for access to the Internet You must pay the still monopolistic local MVPD/ISPs, yes, but not the congloms. That's why Title II may just have to be the way to go. We've already been over this. >> Internet distribution of TV allows this multiple supermarket model >> to work for TV too. The MVPD model DOES NOT. > > Not if every new service has to pay the same monthly subscriber fees > to offer the content, AND ONLY OFFER THEM IN A BUNDLE. Once again, Craig enjoys arguing in circles. We've been around this circle countless times, Craig. You will need to take it up directly with Bewkes, Skipper, and Moonves, to name just three. As I've indicated on MULTIPLE occasions, it is these content owners/rights holders who decide how their business models have to evolve, and they have ALREADY SPOKEN. Forget what the FCC mandates about giving access to content for those emulating the MVPD model. What matters is what the owners of content and rights holders want to do, no matter what Craig might prefer. >> But when Skipper talks about direct to consumer, when Bewkes talks >> about direct to consumer, when Moonves talks about direct to consumer, >> they all mean that they will offer ESPN, HBO, Viacom programming >> without a bunch of totally unrelated channels. > > NO THEY DO NOT. YOU are putting words in their mouths. Oh for pete's sake. Go back to the Forbes article I posted on Oct 8: "Bewkes was talking about moving from selling HBO through cable and satellite companies **to a direct-to-consumer model**: 'The broadband-only opportunity up until now wasn't ... at the point where it would be smart to move the focus from one to the other.'" What do you think that means, Craig?? "Les Moonves, the head of CBS, was asked about **taking Showtime direct** and Deadline reported him saying this: 'Everybody in the media business is thinking about what is the most appropriate way to market your product ... Is there some time in the future when that could happen? Absolutely. I don't know when that is ... Over the next three to five years, the business will change dramatically.'" What do you think that means, Craig?? What does "everyone in the media business" mean to you, Craig? What does "the business will change dramatically in the next three to five years" mean to you, Craig? Business as usual? In the TV Week article, Moonves went beyond JUST mentioning Showtime direct. Go back and try to retain these points. > So Bert, here is a bundle from Cox that includes ONLY local HD > channels Internet and both HBO, HBO Go and Starz. That's pretty funny, Craig, because even this new offering, to compete against Netflix, consists of a bundle. They even use that word. Amazing how you could have missed it. This includes HBO and Starz and it looks like other VOD content that is besides HBO and Starz. Plus, it may not even include all of the OTA offerings. They only mention the HD channels. Read again, to see what you must have missed: "Bundle for one, low price: Internet Preferred + Cox TV + HBO + Starz "All your local HD channels, interactive on-screen guide, 45 channels of commercial-free digital quality music, access to OnDEMAND movies available same day as DVD release, and original programming you can't get with Netflix or Hulu Plus "HBO and Starz are included at no extra cost. Online programming with 1,700 hours from HBO Go and 400 hours from STARZ Play" So once again, Craig, cut to the chase. In addition to your broadband fee, what does this bundle cost? And how does that compare to the $8 of Netflix or the $10 for HBO direct, estimated in a previous article I posted? Find that number, then maybe you'll understand the difference. Bert ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.