Craig Birkmaier wrote: > Gary Sullivan wrote: > > > > This notion that the gain in compression effectiveness > > for using the new standard instead of MPEG-2 has > > something to do with stretching out the GOP length is > > annoying. That is definitely *NOT* what is going on, > > and it is *NOT* how we estimate compression benefits in > > codec design. > > Thanks Gary. It's good to see that you are listening, and > willing to take the time to help educate the OpenDTV > community. Indeed it was good of Gary to explain the impact of the reduced size of the separate types of pictures (I, P, B). The results according to http://www.chiariglione.org/mpeg/working_documents/mpeg-04/avc/avc_vt.zi p show that if you limit your comparisons to those scenarios that apply to SDTV or HDTV, improvements of 2x or better were not the majority of cases. For SD examples, 2x or better was achieved in 14 out of 40 tests. For HD, 2x or better was achieved in 10 out of 32 tests. So even though the GOP length did not change when making these comparisons, GOP length *would* be a factor if you want to show off consistently large imporvements. And that is evidently why GOP length was an issue at IBC, Craig. Which is what Gary Hughes pointed out. I don't think either Gary has said "GOP has nothing to do with it." Bert ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.