[opendtv] Re: Channel approval process
- From: "Dale Kelly" <res0xtey@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 10:20:54 -0700
Please reconsider you reconsidered position.
As enlightened as this debate might be, I believe that we've heard enough on
this subject .
----- Original Message -----
From: "JCW0" <jcw0@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 9:45 AM
Subject: [opendtv] Re: Channel approval process
> For me the important question is how best to secure the benefits of
Western
> Civilization for Westerners, their descendants, and other peoples wanting
to
> join the party.
>
> The world, like Mr. Manfredi's bush is unruly. America, like Mr.
Manfredi,
> is best equipped to do something about it, and is drawn by internal and
> external pressures to act. Acting, in both cases apparently, has
> consequences.
>
> You can say with confidence that "Monroe Doctrine...has been very good to
> Latin American nations". Having lived in Latin America, I can say with
> equal confidence that you would not have to travel far there to find
> thinking people who resent Monroe and other US policies and feel that
those
> policies have worked to the detriment of Latin America and poor Latin
> Americans in particular. Dismissing them as leftists does not change the
> fact that the resentment is real.
>
> By all reports, current events have greatly increased hatred of the West
in
> Islamic and particularly Islamic Arab countries.
>
> You trace current terrorism to the government of Iran of 1979. That
> disastrous government came to power in a popular revolution to overthrow a
> hated tyrant, the Shah, who was installed in a British and US backed coup
> that overthrew a government that was trying to nationalize the oil
industry.
>
> Al-Qaida, as an organization, can be traced directly to the Mujahedin in
> Afghanistan who were partly financed and equipped by the US in their
efforts
> to overthrow the Soviet-backed government of the day.
>
> My point is that reshaping the world is fraught with unintended
consequences
> and inevitably leads to deep resentments. Liking being told what to do is
> rare enough among people to be considered a perversion!
>
> If I ever buy my sailboat and leave port, I will be happy that the US
Navy,
> rather than chaos, rules the seas. The laying of the keel of the George
H.
> W. Bush, the latest Nimitz class carrier, does not make me feel much safer
> though. Recent events lead me to fear the generational hatred of the
> Islamicists more than the possible consequences of pulling back a bit.
>
> Having given up on shutting up...
>
>
>
> John Wrigglesworth
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
> Behalf Of John Willkie
> Sent: June 16, 2004 12:07 PM
> To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [opendtv] Re: Channel approval process
>
> Heck, I don't know even roughly what the US would look like if the US
> returned to its founding principles of limited central government and
> staying out of foreign entanglements. I would note that we rather quickly
> abandoned it, at least as applies to this hemisphere: the Monroe Doctrine
is
> still in force, and has been very good to Latin American nations, keeping
> Germany in the early 1900s from exploiting weaknesses in Colombia and
> Ecuador, for example.
>
> I'm not a significant critic of the military exploits of the current
> administration, however. I see this continuum that began with the
adoption
> of a revolutionary, expansionist, militaristic and terrorist government in
> Iran in 1979 and their fostering of indigenous movements in many countries
> similarly situated. Perhaps others see that as a given.
>
> I never took the Soviet Union as a given. While not a particular fan of
> Ronald Reagan while he was in office, his "evil empire" (before the Nat'l
> Assoc of Evangelicals) and "tear down this wall" (in Berlin) speeches were
> like "dawn breaking over Marblehead" for me.
>
> Further along that time line, I see the attacks of September 11, 2001. I
> think that the administration's response is the beginning of the end of
the
> continuum, or the lack of such a response as the beginning of the end of
the
> United States and Western society. For eight years, we had an
> administration that was too concerned with 'good times' to pay attention
to
> these facts, so the attacks got worse. Seems to me that the period
between
> 9/11 and today is somewhat less troublesome as applies to domestic
incidents
> than the period that preceded it.
>
> I don't see this administration as causing any bad situations as much as
> them finally dealing with what was extant. Of course, there are adaptive
> behaviors on the other sides. Heck, let them kill Iraqis. While Saddam
was
> in power, who outside of a small circle of friends, gave a hoot?
>
> I had a lark the other day. Since September 11, 2001, more than a handful
> of U.S. citizens have pled guilty to fomenting terrorism in the U.S. As a
> item for further study, I thought it might be interesting to construct a
> database of those convicted or who pled guilty, and see what political
> parties, if any, these "Americans" were registered with. I should also
> point out that I am not a member of any political party.
>
> John Willkie
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of JCW0
> Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 7:37 AM
> To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [opendtv] Re: Channel approval process
>
>
> I do not pretend to know precisely what the world would look like if the
US
> returned its founding principles of limited central government and staying
> out of foreign entanglements.
>
> I do know that the course of the current administration scares the heck
out
> of me.
>
>
> JW
>
> P.S. I am trying to stay shut up...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
> Behalf Of Manfredi, Albert E
> Sent: June 16, 2004 9:05 AM
> To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [opendtv] Re: Channel approval process
>
> > However, U.S. troops are stationed in more than one
> > hundred countries. The U.S. spends more on arms than the
> > next five top spenders combined.
>
> Whew. That's a stretch.
>
> It also annoys me tremendously when my wife complains about
> how I trim the bushes. I do it only because no one else will,
> not because I'm trying to assert sole ownership or control
> over these plants, nor because it's a pastime I enjoy.
>
> I can assure you, there are legions of Americans who would
> prefer the US got its troops the hell out of all these places,
> including Iraq. But the rest of the world didn't exactly
> approve of how long it took the Clinton administration to
> move into the Balkans, did it? Or how the US did not take
> decisive action in Rwanda? I'll bet a goodly sum that the US
> will similarly be blamed for "not doing more" about the Sudan
> now.
>
> Perhaps the excuse "for not doing more" should be that this
> isn't an imperialist nation. Somehow, that would sound lame.
>
> Bert
>
>
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