huh? By limiting the amount of commercial messages carried per hour (antitrust/restraint of trade) the NAB was carrying out a public service? Stations still follow the code -- aside from commercial limits -- they just don't display the seal once a week or more. What aspects of the code do you think broadcasters don't now offer? Media reflects society; sometimes badly, in a distorted way. Media has always been accused of demeaning culture for offering content. It's only demeaning if it is consumed. I have never seen more than 10 seconds of any episode of a reality show, with the exception of the last episode of the first season of survivor. And, I specifically remove "Breaking Bonaduce" from the genre. It's close to reality, with little or no staging. Fascinating: but maybe that's because I despise Danny Bonaduce and his ilk. John Willkie -----Original Message----- From: Tony Neece <tonyneece@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Oct 25, 2005 2:31 AM To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [opendtv] Re: CEA White Paper Back when the broadcasters all followed the NAB code, they were = returning to the public true value for the spectrum they were given. Now with even = news turning to sensationalistic entertainment, they are doing the public a disservice. TV has become a negative influence on our culture. Common sense, reason and logic are soooo last century! (Right along with = ethics, morality, and personal responsibility.) TV programming has had a lot to = do with that. =20 All the while, our capitalism, which has had a large part in making us = the prosperous country, is rapidly gravitating toward feudalism, what with = the obsessive passion of Corporate America for sending jobs off shore, so as = to force downsizing of wages, pensions and medical benefits here at home. = So many people still think these are all unskilled, undesirable jobs. In = fact they are accounting, engineering, software, legal and administrative = jobs as well. Much of our Technological leadership is due to immigrants that = came here, got educated here, and work in our high tech companies. They have begun to be lured back to their homelands. If this happens on a large = scale we will be a service economy all-right. Personal service. "Yes ma'am, = I'll do better making your bed next time. Was the coffee warm enough?" =20 One of the reasons behind the burgeoning private home prices here in Los Angeles is a large influx of foreign nationals, that we have made rich = with our out-of-control imports, buying homes here at above reasonable = prices. Many, probably most, love the U. S. and just want to be part of America. = I for one, welcome them wholeheartedly. They will eventually become = worthy U. S. citizens. Not all though. Some want nothing to do with us or our culture. They = want the good weather and conveniences. That bunch wants to impose their = culture on us rather than to embrace ours. Hard to blame them for that, if what they know of our culture is what they have seen on TV.=20 OhGeez! Here I go on a cynical rant again! I'm Sorry! Tony -----Original Message----- From: opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] = On Behalf Of dan.grimes@xxxxxxxx Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 10:12 AM To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [opendtv] Re: CEA White Paper "The money they have spent on the conversion to digital is little more than a protection payment to the politicians. Most stations have paid for this out of operating engineering budgets, or taxpayer money for most PBS stations. The amount broadcasters have spent is still measured in million$, while cable and DBS have been spending BILLION$ for their digital upgrades." -Craig Birkmaier When you say broadcasters have spent millions on the conversion to = digital, I assume you are only accounting for the DTT portion? Adding in the production equipment, I bet it would be billions. While broadcasters = are not required to convert their productions to digital, I think the = biggest reason they are doing so is to keep production (technical) quality up = and improve workflow efficiency. (but I stray from the topic). I think it is very hard to compare the finances of OTA with DBS and CATV since one originates programming and the other only re-transmits it; one = is free while the other is fee based; one must transmit one program stream, the other must transmit hundreds. The list could go on. Not that I disagree with Craig's viewpoint. 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