[opendtv] Re: Beyond transport

  • From: Craig Birkmaier <craig@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: "opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 08:07:56 -0500

On Feb 9, 2014, at 11:56 PM, Albert Manfredi <albert.e.manfredi@xxxxxxxxxx> 
> Craig wrote:
>> Clearly just defining the transport layer works for the Internet,
> Since this is one of your key misconceptions, and since I already explained 
> why this isn't so, I'll take my new approach of asking you to inform 
> yourself. Similar to the question about broadcast LTE.
> So, Craig, in order to provide the most basic:
> 1. File transfer mechanism,
> 2. E-mail service
> 3. Net news service (usenet),
> 4. Web browsing
> 5. Streaming media
> what APPLICATIONS did the IETF have to develop and standardize?

All of the above.
> Once you do your due diligence, you will discover that "defining the 
> transport" was far from being enough to provide for these services.
All of the above were standardized, AFTER the marketplace started to offer 
solutions, customers responded by embracing them, and industry practice was 
codified into standards.

None of this would have been possible if not for the fact that the Internet is 
open to sending any kind of bits between nodes - i.e. The transport layer is 
defined, but not the contents of the packets, at least until the IETF and 
industry decide that a standard is needed to codify the disparate individual 
approaches to solving a problem.

> And having done that, perhaps you will appreciate of the role the ATSC has to 
> play, and you will appreciate why "just carry the bits" is so meaningless.

I have ALWAYS "appreciated" what the ATSC was able to pull off, even though I 
was opposed to what they did. Few industries have the luxury to creat a 
standard that feathers the nests of the companies that stand to profit from it, 
and then get the government to mandate that consumers must buy that technology, 
knowing that most people will never use it.


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