[opendtv] Re: B&C: CTA Warns of ATSC 3.0 'Chaos' Without Modulation Standard
- From: Craig Birkmaier <brewmastercraig@xxxxxxxxxx>
- To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2017 07:49:07 -0400
On Oct 24, 2017, at 9:49 PM, Manfredi, Albert E
<albert.e.manfredi@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Again, I'm flabbergasted at your insistent, inane arguing. What does going
dark have to do with anything? Broadcasters needed lots of spectrum to manage
interference-free service, with analog TV. Especially for compatibility with
older TV sets.
FINALLY YOU ARE STARTING TO UNDERSTAND!
Yes, broadcasters needed vast amounts of spectrum because of the inefficient
way in which NTSC was deployed. They were not USING this spectrum, they were
WASTING IT to protect the portions they WERE USING.
With ATSC 1.0, they crunched down to 100 MHz *less* than before, while
offering *more* service. No huge gap between UHF stations, even adjacent
channels became feasible, and multicasting became feasible. That is a big
savings, right there. You try to argue everything into the toilet. It's just
aggravating.
Thank you Captain Obvious!
The 85% rule was never observed.
Bull crap. The 85% rule was observed, by including MVPD users in the 100% of
TV users.
I love it. Now you agree with my argument. It kinda makes sense to include
MVPDs when more than 90% of homes used these services instead of OTA antennas,
and the MVPDs are mandated to carry the all local stations.
This was one elegant way the Michael Powell FCC managed to get things moving.
You were totally clueless at the time, of course, because all you understood
was anti-competitive walled gardens. But this was happening, and we even
commented on it here.
No Bert it was not an elegant way to get things moving. It was the reality of
what had become of the TV distribution market by the early ‘2000s. The reality
was that the broadcasters never expected they would have to implement an HDTV
standard - is was just a delaying tactic to protect “their spectrum.” The FCC
had to mandate stations to transition with a multi-year schedule to get their
digital simulcasts on the air. Even with this they still drug their feet, which
was a primary reason that Congress had to delay the shut down of TSC from 2006
to 2009.
ATSC 3.0 has no such mandates, no such rules about percentages of
users, no clear path to any transition period
SO?
And again I'm flabbergasted by your inane arguing. What is this article
about, Craig? It is about the CTA wanting to ensure that everyone can receive
ATSC 3.0. Even though they profess allegiance to a "voluntary" transition.
Get it now? There is absolutely NO MECHANISM in place to make guaranteed ATSC
3.0 reception happen. Go back at my very first comments.
Thankfully.
If broadcasters want to deploy ATSC 3.0 its on them. If CE manufacturers want
to support the standard its on them.
The reality is that the traditional CE manufacturers that make TVs and the new
CE companies like Roku, Apple, Amazon, and Google, are already deploying almost
ALL of the technologies included in ATSC 3.0 except for the modulation layer.
We have 4K TVs, some with HDR and WCG.
We have a wide range of products that are including h.265/HVEC -e.g. Roku 4K
boxes, Amazon Fire 4K boxes, and the new 4K Apple TV, iPhone 8 and iPhone X.
The reason the CTA is pushing for a mandate on the tuner is simple - their
member companies stand to make many millions on the standard if they can get
the FCC to mandate it, just as they did with ATSC 1.0.
Streaming does use standards.
THAT ARE NOT SET BY THE FCC.
BECAUSE SOMEONE ELSE DOES THAT SAME JOB. You have a real mental block about
this, Craig, aided by the fact that you don't know what you're talking about,
and refuse to learn.
You have the mental block Bert. The FCC does not create standards - that is
still up to the “private sector.” The FCC just picks “winners” and has the
power to force manufacturers to include winning standards in products.
Historically, the FCC has ALSO had the power to BLOCK technologies from being
used by broadcasters and telcos, as I have noted MANy times.
They are developed by the industries
Oh, that's different, according to Craig. Craig must believe that the FCC
designed NTSC and ATSC technologies and standards, I guess.
See above.
UNICAST. THINK! You are using a dedicated stream. Not broadcast.
It does not matter.
ROTFL. Craig, you are totally hopeless on all of these subjects.
It does not matter.
Please get up off the floor and stop this nonsensical behavior.
Regards
Craig
Bert
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