I hope John G. can let me know what my agenda is; I'd love to know. I have not taken a side in ATSC vs. DVB-T. It seems to me that there are good points and bad to each system. I have worked (hard) on an ATSC working group and (less hard) on its implementation subcommittee. I HAVE seen DVB-T working in its "native" area. In 1999, I went to a ground-floor flat on a narrow street in London and tried it with a set-top antenna (I also generated impulse noise there). I have also seen it work, on later visits, in other flats in London with both set-top and roof-top antennas, and elsewhere in the UK. I participated in the Sinclair Baltimore tests. I also personally carried the Nokia DVB-T portable around the NAB show floor years ago and couldn't get its reception to fail except inside a transmitter cabinet. I have witnessed mobile demonstrations of both ATSC and DVB-T, and ALL have failed at some point -- some worse than others. I have cable TV. I have had my cable-TV service fail. I have lost a broadcast channel due to a retransmission dispute between the broadcaster and the cable operator. I have lost a different broadcast channel due to a retransmission AGREEMENT between the broadcaster and the cable operator. In all of those cases of loss of cable, I have used a set-top antenna (rabbit-ears for VHF, bow-tie for UHF) to receive the missing broadcaster(s). I have, on occasion, used a battery-operated portable TV. My desire is for DTT to work in my apartment at least as well as NTSC does. Everything else, for me, is gravy. The 5th-generation LG chip in the LG set-top box brought to my apartment by the LG engineers appeared to do that. I can't be more definite because, as I've said before, the TRANSMISSION situation (not just reception) in New York was in flux during the test. I don't know if I could get all NY DTT stations because all NY DTT stations weren't on the air at the time. But it seemed as though that receiver might do. It was certainly plug-&-play. It worked with a set-top antenna. It didn't care about people moving around the room or traffic outside. In fact, it seemed to work almost as well as did the DVB-T receivers I tested in Baltimore years earlier. I say "almost" because I didn't need ANY antenna in Baltimore; just touching the antenna lead was sufficient. The 5th-generation LG appeared to need at least a loop, but that's okay with me. Once again, no one has ever tested DVB-T reception in my apartment. Maybe the conditions here are worse than in the Baltimore apartment. Maybe it wouldn't work. I don't know. I DO know that I get perfectly acceptable NTSC reception with my set-top antenna. Given the success of the 5th-generation LG prototype here, I look forward to being able to get reliable DTT here via a set-top antenna on a commercially available product. To date, no one has yet demonstrated that. TTFN, Mark ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.