Is the content on Freeview supposed to be better than in the USA? I sort of thought people like Freeview because it was free, the receivers were cheap, and it worked. - Tom tjharvey@xxxxxxx wrote: > Dermot, > > You started to make the correct point, stating the content over DTV is the > issue and then you blew it. > > The problem with US DTV is the content. I am receiving numerous channels > without problem but the programming is mostly crap. No one is promoting it > and with the repetative junk on over the air TV, no wonder it is stagnating > in the US. > > I have only read about Freeview and it looks good. If only there was the > imaginative thinking here in the US... > > Terry Harvey > >>From: dmenolan <dmenolan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>Date: 2005/03/16 Wed AM 09:09:41 EST >>To: Open DTV list <opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>Subject: [opendtv] Re: 5th generation Test >> >>Tom, >> >>Because in the US a dependency culture has existed on 'must-carry' and DB= >>S; witness the DirecTV MPEG4 local HDTV broadcasts. There has not been th= >>e development of a vibrant terrestrial sector as there has been in Europe= >>, Asia and South America. Then the politics which chose 8VSB over COFDM e= >>ffectively crippled the prospect of reinventing OTA television in a DTV r= >>eincarnation. This fiasco has been going on for five years while the COFD= >>M system is cleaning up around the world: all the things they said were w= >>rong with COFDM: too costly, too much silicon, won't work reliably now tu= >>rn out to be true for 8VSB instead. An ironic victory of sorts. >>Either most of the broadcasters do not care, are looking for regulatory r= >>elief, or just managing genteel decline. Its most likely the NTSC system = >>will continue for a long time as when the chips are down voter interests = >>come first, second, third and last! >> >>Kind Regards, >> >>Dermot Nolan >> >>-------------Forwarded Message----------------- >> >>From: INTERNET:opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, INTERNET:opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>To: , INTERNET:opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> = >> >>Date: 16/03/105 14:00 PM >> >>RE: [opendtv] Re: 5th generation Test >> >> = >> >>I don't understand why the broadcasters do not now use this as a = >> >>bargaining chip in front of Congress to delay the turn off or maybe even = >> >>bargain for multiple must-carry. It would seem that they could all = >> >>collectively say they did not believe the technology was good enough yet = >> >>and that they needed functional STB's to make the transition. And that = >> >>would obviously take more time. >> >>Maybe they are keeping this as an ace in the hole for some reason. >> >>- Tom >> >> >>dmenolan wrote: >> >> >>>Yes, and we all know why. Now the bills have to be settled: possibly by= >> >>e,=3D >> >>> bye OTA in the USA.. >>>= >> >>>As the story goes round and round... >>>= >> >>>Kindest Regards, >>>Dermot Nolan >>>= >> >>>-------------Forwarded Message----------------- >>>= >> >>>From: INTERNET:opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, INTERNET:opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>To: , INTERNET:opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> =3D >>>= >> >>>Date: 15/03/105 23:20 PM >>>= >> >>>RE: [opendtv] Re: 5th generation Test >>>= >> >>> =3D >>>= >> >>>MSTV/NAB would not accept any of the COFDM receivers we had or could ge= >> >>t =3D >> >>>= >> >>>our hands on at the time. Specifically Victor Tawil as I remember. He =3D= >> >>>= >> >>>said that they had all the receivers and co-operation they needed. Call= >> >>s =3D >> >>>= >> >>>during the testing asking if I could help or participate or witness wer= >> >>e =3D >> >>>= >> >>>all turned away. >>>= >> >>>Bob Miller >>>= >> >>>Mark Aitken wrote: >>>= >> >>>= >> >>>>MSTV/NAB would not accept the consumer standard production box I put =3D= >> >>>= >> >>>= >> >>>>forward. It performed excellent in all of our other related activities.= >> >>.=3D >> >>>= >> >>>. >>>= >> >>>>Doug McDonald wrote: >>>> >>>>=3D >>> >>>= >> >>>= >> >>>>>John Shutt wrote: >>>>> >>>>>=3D >>> >>>= >> >>>= >> >>>>> =3D >>> >>>= >> >>>= >> >>>>>>If the performance isn't solely in the equalization chip, then how do= >> >> =3D >> >>>= >> >>>those =3D >>>= >> >>>= >> >>>>>>European standard STBs perform so well at such a low price point? Co= >> >>u=3D >> >>>= >> >>>ldn't =3D >>>= >> >>>= >> >>>>>>be the modulation scheme, could it? >>>>>> =3D >>> >>>= >> >>>= >> >>>>>> =3D >>> >>>= >> >>>= >> >>>>>Uh, NO, since, as you recall, a COFDM box did abysmally badly >>>>>compared to an ATSC box in the MSTV tests, since the COFDM box >>>>>had a bad front end. >>>>> >>>>>The Euro STBs DON'T perform all that well RF-wise. >>>>> >>>>>You are getting to be just like Bob Miller and Dermot Nolan. >>>>> >>>>>Doug McDonald >>>>> >>> >>>= >> >>>= >> >>> =3D >>>= >> >>> =3D >>>= >> >>>---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: >>>= >> >>>- Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at = >> >>Fr=3D >> >>>eeLists.org =3D >>>= >> >>>= >> >>>- By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word = >> >>un=3D >> >>>subscribe in the subject line. >>>= >> >>>= >> >>>= >> >>>= >> >>>----------------------- Internet Header -------------------------------= >> >>- >> >>>Sender: opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>Received: from turing.freelists.org (freelists-180.iquest.net [206.53.2= >> >>39=3D >> >>>.180]) >>> by liaag1aa.mx.compuserve.com (8.12.11/8.12.7/SUN-2.18) with ESMTP id = >> >>j2=3D >> >>>FNDC09031773 >>> for <dmenolan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 18:13:12 -0500 >>>Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) >>> by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMT= >> >>P =3D >> >>>id 5E51072AFA; >>> Tue, 15 Mar 2005 18:13:40 -0500 (EST) >>>Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) >>> by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) >>> with ESMTP id 31470-02; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 18:13:40 -0500 (EST) >>>Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) >>> by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMT= >> >>P =3D >> >>>id D508272AD9; >>> Tue, 15 Mar 2005 18:13:39 -0500 (EST) >>>Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list opendtv); Tue, 15 Mar 2005 18:13:1= >> >>2 =3D >> >>>-0500 (EST) >>>X-Original-To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>Delivered-To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) >>> by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMT= >> >>P =3D >> >>>id AEB5B72AEA >>> for <opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 18:13:12 -0500 (EST) >>>Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) >>> by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) >>> with ESMTP id 31353-08 for <opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; >>> Tue, 15 Mar 2005 18:13:12 -0500 (EST) >>>Received: from viacel.com (viacel.metrocommute.com [66.54.171.221]) >>> by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMT= >> >>P =3D >> >>>id 78AB372A84 >>> for <opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 18:13:12 -0500 (EST) >>>Received: Received viacel.com >>>Message-ID: <42376CA7.5040006@xxxxxxxxxx> >>>Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 18:15:51 -0500 >>>From: Bob Miller <bob@xxxxxxxxxx> >>>User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) >>>X-Accept-Language: en-us, en >>>MIME-Version: 1.0 >>>To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>Subject: [opendtv] Re: 5th generation Test >>>References: <42367A2E.7060709@xxxxxxxxxx> <000301c5297b$04467610$9bdc23= >> >>04=3D >> >>>@your1530308f1e> <05ef01c52985$653bbc50$63eb0a23@JohnS> <423720E1.20300= >> >>05=3D >> >>>@scs.uiuc.edu> <42375C5D.1030009@xxxxxxxxxx> >>>In-Reply-To: <42375C5D.1030009@xxxxxxxxxx> >>>Content-type: text/plain; charset=3D3DISO-8859-1 >>>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >>>X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0= >> >>.7=3D >> >>>5c >>> on liaag1aa.mx.compuserve.com >>>X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net >>>X-archive-position: 6827 >>>X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 >>>Sender: opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>Errors-To: opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>X-original-sender: bob@xxxxxxxxxx >>>Precedence: normal >>>Reply-To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>X-list: opendtv >>>X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net >>>X-Virus-Status: Clean >>>= >> >>> = >> >>> = >> >>>---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: >>>= >> >>>- Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at = >> >>FreeLists.org = >> >> >>>= >> >>>- By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word = >> >>unsubscribe in the subject line. >> >>>= >> >>>= >> >> = >> >> = >> >>---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: >> >>- Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at Fr= >>eeLists.org = >> >> >>- By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word un= >>subscribe in the subject line. >> >> >> >> >>----------------------- Internet Header -------------------------------- >>Sender: opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>Received: from turing.freelists.org (freelists-180.iquest.net [206.53.239= >>.180]) >> by siaag1ah.compuserve.com (8.12.11/8.12.7/SUN-2.17) with ESMTP id >> j2GE0= >>c14016534 >> for <dmenolan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:00:41 -0500 (EST) >>Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) >> by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP >> = >>id 5A3B886412; >> Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:00:51 -0500 (EST) >>Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) >> by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) >> with ESMTP id 06311-10; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:00:51 -0500 (EST) >>Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) >> by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP >> = >>id C4CAF85A62; >> Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:00:50 -0500 (EST) >>Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list opendtv); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:00:23 = >>-0500 (EST) >>X-Original-To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>Delivered-To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) >> by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP >> = >>id B622A86143 >> for <opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:00:23 -0500 (EST) >>Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) >> by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) >> with ESMTP id 06296-01 for <opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; >> Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:00:23 -0500 (EST) >>Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.= >>35]) >> by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP >> = >>id 55223859B5 >> for <opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:00:23 -0500 (EST) >>Received: from [192.168.0.11] (c-24-129-87-71.se.client2.attbi.com[24.129= >>.87.71]) >> by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with ESMTP >> id <2005031614002201300ohun5e>; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 14:00:22 +0000= >> >>Message-ID: <42383C35.9080005@xxxxxxxxxxx> >>Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:01:25 -0500 >>From: Tom Barry <trbarry@xxxxxxxxxxx> >>User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.1 (Windows/20040626) >>X-Accept-Language: en-us, en >>MIME-Version: 1.0 >>To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>Subject: [opendtv] Re: 5th generation Test >>References: <200503160511_MC3-1-987E-9BE2@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>In-Reply-To: <200503160511_MC3-1-987E-9BE2@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>Content-type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii >>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >>X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.7= >>5c >> on siaag1ah.compuserve.com >>X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net >>X-archive-position: 6853 >>X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 >>Sender: opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>Errors-To: opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>X-original-sender: trbarry@xxxxxxxxxxx >>Precedence: normal >>Reply-To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>X-list: opendtv >>X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net >>X-Virus-Status: Clean >> >> >> >>---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: >> >>- Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at >>FreeLists.org >> >>- By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word >>unsubscribe in the subject line. >> >> > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: > > - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at > FreeLists.org > > - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word > unsubscribe in the subject line. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.