You said that -- not excerpted here -- AFD and pan/scan - were redundant to sar and dar. Did I get confused about that? I hope not; it's false. And, you are still using confusing terms. Does "video stream" mean the "coded video frame" or the "active video portion of the coded video frame?" DAR will only tell you about the "coded video frame"; AFD and pan/scan -- bar data (pick one) are useful in telling you what portion of that coded video frame contains active video. So, these are clear and unambiguous ways to denote the video area of interest to viewers: 16x9, 2.35:1, 14:9, 4:3 -- or even (using bar data) any other format, even marking discontinuous regions. And, you still appear to be confused yourself; it's not easy to confuse me about this. John Willkie -----Mensaje original----- De: opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] En nombre de John Shutt Enviado el: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 12:19 PM Para: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Asunto: [opendtv] Re: 4:3 transmissions of syndicated programming ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Willkie" <johnwillkie@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > SAR and DAR will NOT tell you what you assert -- they tell you the screen > aspect ratio and the aspect ratio of the video samples themselves (the > scanning grid, if you will.) John, That is exactly what I assert SAR and DAR tell you. My qoute exactly: "DAR will tell you that the video stream is 4:3." If I have confused you by not including SAR with DAR, my apolgies. SAR depends on the ultimate display device. DAR depends on the source material. John ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.