[opendtv] Re: 20060912 Twang's Tuesday Tribune (Mark's Monday Memo)

  • From: Bob <bob@xxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 21:18:12 -0400

Albert Manfredi wrote:

Mark Schubin wrote:

I have, thus far, been to about a dozen flats around the UK where
people are using indoor antennas for DTT reception. They range
from five flats in London to two in Edinburgh, one in Bristol, and
one out in the boonies of Sussex.

Only one had any reception problems, and that was a ground-floor
flat in London on a narrow street with a first-generation box in
1999. It had some slight breakup when a truck came down the
street.

And you didn't compare this with, say, an LG 5th gen or Samsung Gemini system.
No I would not. And remember we are talking about the low power UK 2K system. I don't know any other way to say this. 8-VSB is junk! Even the prototype that we tested at Mark's apartment is no where near what DVB-T can do. Even the LG engineers who engineered it, the 5th gen prototype, agreed with that. And that 5th gen prototype technology is NOT anywhere to be seen.

We could defeat that prototype by just walking in front of the antenna or standing to either side in a particular position. And that was with a clear line of sight, only 34 blocks from the Empire State Building, from a height of 400 feet not 30 feet. And that got me very excited about the possibilities. But in no way can you compare it to the earliest COFDM receiver we ever tested in 1999. NO comparison at all.

Bob Miller

Here's what the numbers say SHOULD happen, assuming the same spectral efficiency. And this is why I'd like to see some real test results from China.


The COFDM receivers will work under a wider range of multipath scenarios. So they will appear more robust than even the Samsung Gemini, but not by a whole lot. (The Gemini goes out to +60 usec, which is about like COFDM at 1/16 GI. But not as good as COFDM under strong pre-echo.)

But when the multipath is within the limits of the 8-VSB demod, the 8-VSB receiver should be able to decode a weaker signal successfully.

If you're in severe multipath, even Brazil E, a good VSB receiver should work well. Brazil E is three equal strength paths, 1 usec apart. If you spread out the Brazil E echoes more and more, eventually the COFDM receiver will do better.

Similarly, if you have no diversity antennas, COFDM will do better with deep nulls. With diversity antennas, 8-VSB will catch up some and perhaps even beat COFDM, again depending on the echo range.

And for plain old long range reception, where multipath is usually too weak to be an issue, 8-VSB should do better by several dB. Then again, this last part was even true with 1st gen 8-VSB, as Sinclair found out. Should be better now.

Bert

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