Of course, a more interesting consideration, with the benefit of 20: 20 h= indsight , is what to do with said spectrum. a) the drivers for HDTV have been here for 20 years pushed by NHK/Sony/Fl= aherty + Co and aided and abetted by a few vociferous cheerleaders on thi= s list. The original thinking that FTA HDTV would replace the NTSC servic= e now looks shaky, as the baton has been passed to well-funded cable - sa= tellite pay tv providers (pace Voom in the US). These providers have a lo= ck on HD-friendly and desirable content such as sport, movies, porn, and = other first run stuff. The business model is there: results are seen in t= he cable and satellite pay HD markets in the US. we can expect this to be= taken to the next level by BSkyB with a state-of-the-art slick HD soluti= on which will make ATSC look decidely tired. And this in a market where t= here will not be any terrestrial HDTV anytime soon. b) the use of terrestrial spectrum for FTA HDTV appears to be a unhappy o= ne in markets with both COFDM and 8VSB: the penetration levels are pretty= miniscule in both countries and in the US there are very well funded DBS= HDTV providers. c) the FTA SDTV business model has been a success in countries where the = modulation system does not depend on nth generation receivers. The reason= for this is also straightforward; FTA multichanel SDTV is basically cann= ibalising utility or basic cable services. That is why ITV and C4 are now= having to battle it out for a Freeview slot which is now five+ times the= 2002 asking price. Market forces yet again. d) Anybody considering terrestrial HDTV now, with a viable business model= (which might have to be pay. Nothing like emulating the competitors with= working business models) will have to bite the MPEG4 and progressive sca= nning bullet. = e) The true benefit of terrestrial digital spectrum, with modulation sys= tems which work today, is to provide true portable and mobile services. T= his will be an instant hit in Europe and Asia but may take time to develo= p in the US: because of the mismatch in cellular cultures. f) The mobile industry view liveTV via the mobile as the Holy Grail and t= he next ARPU growth segment whether delivered by Qualcomm or more flexibl= e systems such as DVB-H which coexist with existing cellular platforms su= ch as GSM and UMTS and can be used in 5,6,7 or 8Mhz channel allocations. g) If it comes to an auction between FTA terrestrial broadcasters for HDT= V services and mobile/network operators for mobile TV services the latter= will win hands down because of their cash flows. h) There will also be a landgrab for prime spectrum by mobile TV operator= s. UHF Band IV is perfect for mobile Tv services, VHF is a non-starter be= cause of the requirement for telescopic antennas in mobile phones, and L-= band requires a very dense and costly transmitter network compared to UHF= . This is beautifully essayed in Digitag's new report out today on mobile= TV services available to download free from www.digitag.org Taken together we are about to see a battle royal start for access to pri= me terrestrial spectrum and many of the assumptions and thinking develope= d in the 1980s now look distinctly flawed, dated and swept away by techno= logy stepchange. Along with 30ft ATSC antennas he said with a resigned ai= r of sarcasm. On that note have a lovely weekend all! Dermot Nolan -------------Forwarded Message----------------- From: INTERNET:opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, INTERNET:opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To: , INTERNET:opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx = Date: 04/03/105 16:52 PM RE: [opendtv] Re: Why did we undertake this transition in the first place= ? = Not an absolute peak, just a local maxima! ----- Original Message ----- = From: "Mark Schubin" <tvmark@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > FYI, I hardly think interest in HDTV peaked in 1987. > = > TTFN, > Mark = = ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at Fr= eeLists.org = - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word un= subscribe in the subject line. ----------------------- Internet Header -------------------------------- Sender: opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Received: from turing.freelists.org (freelists-180.iquest.net [206.53.239= .180]) by siaag1ae.compuserve.com (8.12.11/8.12.7/SUN-2.17) with ESMTP id j24Gq= 99W017111 for <dmenolan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 11:52:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP = id 5E88A7DDE8; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 11:52:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27480-01; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 11:52:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP = id D11F67DB5C; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 11:52:38 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list opendtv); Fri, 04 Mar 2005 11:52:10 = -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Delivered-To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP = id C01457D890 for <opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 11:52:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27309-01 for <opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 11:52:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp104.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp104.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66= .163.169.223]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP i= d 637907D544 for <opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 11:52:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown (HELO JohnS) (shuttj@xxxxxxxxxxxx with login) by smtp104.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Mar 2005 16:52:09 -0000 Message-ID: <05e101c520da$80fa16c0$63eb0a23@JohnS> From: "John Shutt" <shuttj@xxxxxxxxx> To: <opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> References: <05cf01c520d2$62868050$63eb0a23@JohnS> <42288621.7000301@eart= hlink.net> <05d601c520d6$ae9cf7e0$63eb0a23@JohnS> <4228916B.1030201@earth= link.net> Subject: [opendtv] Re: Why did we undertake this transition in the first = place? 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