[opendtv] Re: 1080p questions
- From: Tom Barry <trbarry@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sat, 05 Dec 2009 20:44:19 -0500
Sorry, was that directed at my last post? If so I don't see the
connection. Though your statement is certainly true.
Unless you were just pointing out the thread had drifted somehow from
1080p TV's to DVD upscaling restrictions. ??
- Tom
Leonard Caillouet wrote:
> 480p scaled to 1080p is NOT the same as a 1080 source.
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>> On Behalf Of Tom Barry
>> Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 7:54 PM
>> To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [opendtv] Re: 1080p questions
>>
>> Yes, as you point out the TV's will upscale anyway. The whole thing
>> was a pointless and unenforceable restriction, especially now that
>> feeding a 480p signal to any modern fixed pixel display will force it
>> to
>> scale to its native rez anyway, always larger than 480 these days.
>>
>> I think the basis of that restriction was actually written into law
>> about the time of the DMCA, except that it was for VCR's and DVD
>> players
>> were not mentioned. The law I read at the time said it would become
>> effective once there was effective 480p MacroVision type protection,
>> though it grandfathered any computers not driving TV's. I don't know
>> if
>> there are any more specific laws on the books but the DVD folks have
>> been pretending it is the law for DVD's too.
>>
>> Maybe it even is. Dunno.
>>
>> The point was to force Macrovision copy protection on everything but of
>> course everybody just digitally rips the DVD's and BD's when they want
>> now. Nobody records the analog. And increasingly since everything is
>> available online somewhere people don't even bother to rip the DVD's
>> and
>> make copies as much anymore.
>>
>> - Tom
>>
>> PS - Yes, I have the older LinkPlayer that still upscales. But I don't
>> use it for anything anymore since I use only PC's for media playback.
>> And I suppose it might stop upscaling if I ever bothered to do a
>> firmware (up?)grade, if those are still available somewhere.
>>
>> dan.grimes@xxxxxxxx wrote:
>>
>>> "It was my understanding that DVD players were restricted by the DVD
>>> license from upscaling to greater than 480p on analog outputs. Though
>>>
>> there
>>
>>> appeared to be some exceptions on the market like my Avel Linkplayer
>>>
>> and of
>>
>>> course all the PC's that used grandfathered legacy vga only
>>>
>> connections to
>>
>>> things not considered TV's. Has all that changed?" - Tom
>>>
>>> "That's correct. Analog output of copy protected DVDs is limited to
>>>
>> 480p on
>>
>>> the upscaling players. The Avel will output upscaled video over
>>>
>> component
>>
>>> IFF the disc is not protected, so if you make a copy of a commercial
>>>
>> DVD
>>
>>> that you own, you can watch it upconverted on the Avel. Some earlier
>>>
>> revs
>>
>>> of the LinkPlayer firmware did not enforce the output restriction,
>>>
>> fwiw."
>>
>>> -Gary Hughes
>>>
>>> I thought the analog was always lower resolution, too, for copy
>>>
>> protected
>>
>>> material. But it appears that this requirement was withheld on
>>>
>> earlier
>>
>>> Blu-Ray players. Perhaps it is required now on newer Blu-Ray players.
>>>
>>> We had problems with HDMI getting to the projectors due to problems
>>>
>> with
>>
>>> theHDMI switchers so we used the analog outputs instead. I brought
>>>
>> up the
>>
>>> fact that the analog will not be full resolution and yet the
>>>
>> projector was
>>
>>> syncing as a high scan rate. We did some research and I was told (I
>>>
>> didn't
>>
>>> hear it directly) that the analog would continue to be HD for several
>>>
>> years
>>
>>> (I forget the exact date, but I think it was June of 2012). I am not
>>>
>> sure
>>
>>> if the analog output will switch over at that time or if the older
>>>
>> players
>>
>>> will continue to always put out full resolution. Eventually, we
>>>
>> worked out
>>
>>> the HDCP issues with firmware upgrades to the switcher and are now
>>>
>> using
>>
>>> the HDMI output. I might go back and see what is coming out of the
>>> component output at this time.
>>>
>>> Even so, there are still plenty of opportunities to upscale the video,
>>>
>> even
>>
>>> in the monitor. Of course, the quality does vary dramatically by
>>> manufacturer and version.
>>>
>>> Dan
>>>
>>>
>>
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