[opendtv] Re: 1080p questions
- From: "Leonard Caillouet" <lcaillo@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 20:27:08 -0500
480p scaled to 1080p is NOT the same as a 1080 source.
Leonard Caillouet
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> From: opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Tom Barry
> Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 7:54 PM
> To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [opendtv] Re: 1080p questions
>
> Yes, as you point out the TV's will upscale anyway. The whole thing
> was a pointless and unenforceable restriction, especially now that
> feeding a 480p signal to any modern fixed pixel display will force it
> to
> scale to its native rez anyway, always larger than 480 these days.
>
> I think the basis of that restriction was actually written into law
> about the time of the DMCA, except that it was for VCR's and DVD
> players
> were not mentioned. The law I read at the time said it would become
> effective once there was effective 480p MacroVision type protection,
> though it grandfathered any computers not driving TV's. I don't know
> if
> there are any more specific laws on the books but the DVD folks have
> been pretending it is the law for DVD's too.
>
> Maybe it even is. Dunno.
>
> The point was to force Macrovision copy protection on everything but of
> course everybody just digitally rips the DVD's and BD's when they want
> now. Nobody records the analog. And increasingly since everything is
> available online somewhere people don't even bother to rip the DVD's
> and
> make copies as much anymore.
>
> - Tom
>
> PS - Yes, I have the older LinkPlayer that still upscales. But I don't
> use it for anything anymore since I use only PC's for media playback.
> And I suppose it might stop upscaling if I ever bothered to do a
> firmware (up?)grade, if those are still available somewhere.
>
> dan.grimes@xxxxxxxx wrote:
> > "It was my understanding that DVD players were restricted by the DVD
> > license from upscaling to greater than 480p on analog outputs. Though
> there
> > appeared to be some exceptions on the market like my Avel Linkplayer
> and of
> > course all the PC's that used grandfathered legacy vga only
> connections to
> > things not considered TV's. Has all that changed?" - Tom
> >
> > "That's correct. Analog output of copy protected DVDs is limited to
> 480p on
> > the upscaling players. The Avel will output upscaled video over
> component
> > IFF the disc is not protected, so if you make a copy of a commercial
> DVD
> > that you own, you can watch it upconverted on the Avel. Some earlier
> revs
> > of the LinkPlayer firmware did not enforce the output restriction,
> fwiw."
> > -Gary Hughes
> >
> > I thought the analog was always lower resolution, too, for copy
> protected
> > material. But it appears that this requirement was withheld on
> earlier
> > Blu-Ray players. Perhaps it is required now on newer Blu-Ray players.
> >
> > We had problems with HDMI getting to the projectors due to problems
> with
> > theHDMI switchers so we used the analog outputs instead. I brought
> up the
> > fact that the analog will not be full resolution and yet the
> projector was
> > syncing as a high scan rate. We did some research and I was told (I
> didn't
> > hear it directly) that the analog would continue to be HD for several
> years
> > (I forget the exact date, but I think it was June of 2012). I am not
> sure
> > if the analog output will switch over at that time or if the older
> players
> > will continue to always put out full resolution. Eventually, we
> worked out
> > the HDCP issues with firmware upgrades to the switcher and are now
> using
> > the HDMI output. I might go back and see what is coming out of the
> > component output at this time.
> >
> > Even so, there are still plenty of opportunities to upscale the video,
> even
> > in the monitor. Of course, the quality does vary dramatically by
> > manufacturer and version.
> >
> > Dan
> >
>
>
>
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