[oaktable] Re: RWP team opportunities

  • From: Tim Gorman <tim.evdbt@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: oaktable@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, oaktable@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2021 13:59:23 -0700

Somewhere on the Wall Of Unintended Consequences there is room for a new entry.

The law was intended to benefit employees by mandating transparency (more info HERE <https://www.shrm.org/resourcesandtools/legal-and-compliance/state-and-local-updates/pages/some-employers-are-excluding-colorado-applicants-for-remote-work.aspx>, HERE <https://news.bloomberglaw.com/daily-labor-report/colorado-pay-law-has-consequences-nationwide-attorney-says?context=article-related>, and HERE <https://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/challenge-to-colorado-equal-pay-for-4825625/>).

-Happy In Oregon



On 7/9/2021 1:16 PM, Melanie Caffrey wrote:

This issue just came up for a friend of mine applying for remote positions within a different IT company. So I did some digging and discovered that Colorado has a law that states that any company posting national job posts for remote work must disclose their salary and benefits ranges for the position. This has led to companies now excluding remote Colorado workers in their talent search. Currently, I am not aware of any other U.S. state that requires this kind of hiring transparency.



On Sat, Apr 17, 2021, 9:15 AM Gwen Shapira <cshapi@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:cshapi@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:

    Sent too early, but that's essentially the question - what
    prevents Oracle from doing performance engineering in Colorado?

    On Sat, Apr 17, 2021, 8:14 AM Gwen Shapira <cshapi@xxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:cshapi@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:

        Ok, but what's wrong with Colorado? Is there a high-latrnc

        On Sat, Apr 17, 2021, 5:22 AM John Beresniewicz
        <john.beresniewicz@xxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:john.beresniewicz@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:

            Based on your expertise you should be CMTS.

            Very hard to get promotions so enter as high as you can.

            I was CMTS for 11 years and never got promoted.

            Left and came back 5 yrs later as Architect.

            Another thing to know is same job grade has different
            status depending where in the organization.

            RWP team is associated directly with Database Development
            and higher status than in other areas of company.

            Good luck 👍

            JB

            On Sat, Apr 17, 2021 at 7:27 AM Stefan Koehler
            <contact@xxxxxxxx <mailto:contact@xxxxxxxx>> wrote:

                Interesting. CMTS and PMTS is paid differently but
                everything in the job description is 1:1 identical -
                only one tiny part is different.

                CMTS
                ----
                Detailed Description and Job Requirements
                Provide leadership and expertise in the development of
                new products/services/processes, frequently operating
                at the leading edge of technology. Recommends and
                justifies major changes to existing
                products/services/processes. BS or MS degree or
                equivalent experience relevant to functional area. 8
                or more years of software engineering or related
                experience.

                PMTS
                ----
                Detailed Description and Job Requirements
                Work is non-routine and very complex, involving the
                application of advanced technical/business skills in
                area of specialization. Leading contributor
                individually and as a team member, providing direction
                and mentoring to others. BS or MS degree or equivalent
                experience relevant to functional area. 7 years of
                software engineering or related experience.


                I am not very familiar with the job titles but I think
                PMTS is higher than CMTS and so got paid more bucks,
                right? Why does a PMTS with the exact same skill
                matrix (What do you work on/Who you are) does get paid
                more when it even requires less experience (7 year for
                PMTS vs +8 years for CMTS)? Sounds strange to me ;-)


                Best Regards
                Stefan Koehler

                Independent Oracle performance consultant and researcher
                Website: http://www.soocs.de ;<http://www.soocs.de>
                Twitter: @OracleSK

                > John Beresniewicz <john.beresniewicz@xxxxxxxxx
                <mailto:john.beresniewicz@xxxxxxxxx>> hat am
                17.04.2021 13:00 geschrieben:
                >
                >
                > Yes CMTS and PMTS are two different salary grades.
                >
                >
                > On Sat, Apr 17, 2021 at 4:36 AM Michael Möller
                <private2michael@xxxxxxxxx
                <mailto:private2michael@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
                > > @Stefan: They're not identical, one is the
                principal, the others just member of the team :-)
                > >
                > > Anyhow, despite Denmark being mentioned, I won't
                come out of retirement for this.
                > >
                > > :-)))
                > >
                > >
                > > Michael, fra mobilen
                > >
                > >
                > > lør. 17. apr. 2021 09.28 skrev Stefan Koehler
                <contact@xxxxxxxx <mailto:contact@xxxxxxxx>>:
                > > > I am one of these Generation Y kids - so please
                forgive my dumb question.
                > > >
                > > > Copy & Paste from job openings
                > > > -----------8<----------
                > > > Oracle RWP Performance Engineer - Principal
                Member of Technical Staff-21000GRK
                > > >  This is a remote/office based position which
                may be performed anywhere in the United States except
                for within the state of Colorado.
                > > >  Travel: Yes, 25 % of the Time
                > > >  Location: United States
                > > >
                > > > Oracle RWP Performance Engineer -21000I3S
                > > >  Location: United Kingdom
                > > >  Other Locations: Romania, Czech Republic,
                Italy, Belgium, Ireland, Poland, Sweden, Denmark
                > > >
                > > > Oracle RWP Performance Engineer - Consulting
                Member of Technical Staff-21000GRL
                > > >  Location: United States
                > > >  Travel: Yes, 25 % of the Time
                > > >  This is a remote/office based position which
                may be performed anywhere in the United States except
                for within the state of Colorado.
                > > > -----------8<----------
                > > >
                > > > Why do you have different job titles for the
                exact same job description and why is the European
                position no remote/office based position despite the
                fact that there is no travel like for the US based
                remote/office based positions? Seems like German guys
                can also not apply ;-)
                > > >
                > > >
                > > > Best Regards
                > > > Stefan Koehler
                > > >
                > > > Independent Oracle performance consultant and
                researcher
                > > > Website: http://www.soocs.de ;<http://www.soocs.de>
                > > > Twitter: @OracleSK
                > > >
                > > > > Bjørn Engsig <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
                <mailto:dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> hat am
                16.04.2021 15:01 geschrieben:
                > > > >
                > > > >
                > > > > All
                > > > >
                > > > > Let me add to what Peter wrote and mention
                that if you go to
                > > > >
                > > > > https://www.oracle.com/corporate/careers/
                <https://www.oracle.com/corporate/careers/>
                > > > >
                > > > > and search for "rwp", you will find the openings.
                > > > >
                > > > > And undskyld! for even more advertising.
                > > > >
                > > > > /Bjørn.
                > > > >
                > > > >
                > > > > On Thu, 8 Apr 2021 at 20:14, Peter Bach
                <peter.oaktable@xxxxxxxxx
                <mailto:peter.oaktable@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
                > > > > > Undskyld for the advertising in advance.....
                > > > > >
                > > > > > The RWP Team is hiring in the US and EU.
                > > > > >
                > > > > > If you or someone you know would have any
                interest in working in the RWP team, then please reach
                out to me or Bjoern directly and we will get you
                connected with the boss.
                > > > > >
                > > > > >
                > > > > > --
                > > > > >
                > > > > > Thanks & Regards,
                > > > > > - Peter
                > > >


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