[ntnm] Re: The survey
- From: "Gareth Williams" <edward.williams123@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <ntnm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 23:37:06 +0100
Hi Huw
You download using SpeakOn rather than using the email system. The download
process can be set to do the clean up at the same time. Reading can then be
done either in SpeakOn itself, or on a portable device such as the Victor
Stream. So, on the train this afternoon, I had a nicely tidied version of
the Guardian to read.
All the best
Gareth
-----Original Message-----
From: Huw Evans
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 7:02 PM
To: ntnm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ntnm] Re: The survey
Many thanks, Derek,
This is new to me – and better than ctrl with 'page down', which I had been
using to skip forward.
My only remaining problem with htmlseems to be when I need to go back to
check the meaning of a sentence or the spelling of aword and get frustrated
on hearing 'no more text'. I find this task is eeasier and more precise
with a text document.
Today's news about 'speakon' is exciting. Am I correct in assuming that it
refers to downloadingonly,and not email?
Best wishes,
Huw.
-----Original Message-----
From: Derek Hornby
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 11:33 PM
To: ntnm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ntnm] Re: The survey
Hi Huw.
Have you tried this to go through headlines.
In HTML file keep pressing letter h key.
Then press down arrow key to read an article.
Derek
-----Original Message-----
From: ntnm-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ntnm-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Huw Evans
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2014 9:24 AM
To: ntnm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ntnm] Re: The survey
Ian and Richard,
I have at last grasped that I should be using the function keys to
search
html! Apart from function 4 with alt to close down,I've been
regarding the
function keys as redundant.....
I'm extremely grateful to you for identifying some of the gaps in my
knowledge and wonder whether you would be good enough to tell me where
I
should have been looking for this information.
Best wishes,
Huw.
-----Original Message-----
From: Ian Dawson
Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2014 4:43 PM
To: ntnm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ntnm] Re: The survey
Hi again Huw,
Glad the copy worked for you for HTML. Actually, you do exactly the
same in
a text document.
I.e. holding the shift key and moving with the arrow keys will
highlight
and select by line or character, and then using control-c and
control-v will
do the copy and paste.
In Dolphin cursor mode, if you press function key f3Supernova will say
find.
If you then type in the text string you want to find and then press
the
enter key, Supernova will search for the first occurrence. After that,
pressing function keys f2 and f4 will search backwards or forwards
respectively for the same text string.
If you want to search for a new text string then just press f3 and
type in
the new text and so on ...
Kind regards, Ian.
-----Original Message-----
From: ntnm-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ntnm-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf
Of Huw Evans
Sent: 26 July 2014 14:59
To: ntnm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ntnm] Re: The survey
Ian,
I've now been able to copy a section from html (but not from text) but
I'm
still unable to get the hhang of searching html.
Certainly this is half of a big step forward and I'll keep on trying
to
search
Many thanks,
Huw.
-----Original Message-----
From: Ian Dawson
Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2014 12:48 PM
To: ntnm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ntnm] Re: The survey
Huw,
In Dolphin cursor mode, you can use Supernova's search facility.
F3 allows you to type the text string you want to find, pressing enter
on
this finds the first occurrence; then f2 and f4 search back or forward
respectively for subsequent occurrences.
You can also highlight text in Dolphin's cursor mode by pressing the
shift
key and using the arrow keys. You can then use Windows copy
(control-c) and
paste (control-v) in the normal way to copy and paste the highlighted
text.
Hope this helps.
Regards, Ian.
-----Original Message-----
From: ntnm-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ntnm-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf
Of Huw Evans
Sent: 26 July 2014 11:41
To: ntnm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ntnm] Re: The survey
Richard,
For some reason ctrl plus find doesn't work with html for me. I've
just
tried with the Economist and while while I can find 'windmills'
easily in
text, I cannot get any response in html...
In navigating words or phrases, I get frustrated when told 'no more
words'
at the end of a line in html.
Incidentaly, I should also like to be able to bookmark and copy
extracts as
in the old days....I realise that I'm hard to please but I always
think its
worth looking for possible improvements.
All suggestions greatly appreciated,
Best wishes,
Huw.
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Godfrey-McKay
Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2014 10:19 AM
To: ntnm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ntnm] Re: The survey
Huw, you should be able to search for text when reading an HTML file.
IN
Internet Explorer, press control +f to show the find box. To find the
next
occurrence press f3. You should also be able to use the normal
navigation
key strokes, e.g. control +right or left arrow to move a word at a
time, or
just cursor through uncertain text you wish to examine more closely.
Does
that help?
Richard
Richard Godfrey-McKay
Telephone: 01738-445 880
Mobile: 07791 452 593
-----Original Message-----
From: ntnm-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ntnm-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf
Of Huw Evans
Sent: 26 July 2014 09:34
To: ntnm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ntnm] Re: The survey
Richard,
Iuse dolphin's supernova, relying on voice only.
II also appreciate html's navigability in being able to go easily to
the
next or previous items as well as the availability of the contents;
its a
good way to get through a short magazine quickly. My problem arises
if I'm
trying to extract the nuances from a difficult paragraph containing,
say
foreign names....
Because my hearing is deteriorating, I need to go back over the odd
phrase
and this is easier if I use the text version, which also enables me to
search and get quickly to whatever I'm looking for. I suspect we need
both
versions.
Hope this makes sense.
Best wishes,
Huw.
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Godfrey-McKay
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2014 7:35 PM
To: ntnm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ntnm] Re: The survey
Huw, Which screenreader are you using? Certainly html is my preferred
option with JAWS, simply because of its navigability.
Richard
Richard Godfrey-McKay
Telephone: 01738-445 880
Mobile: 07791 452 593
-----Original Message-----
From: ntnm-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ntnm-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf
Of Huw Evans
Sent: 25 July 2014 18:01
To: ntnm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ntnm] Re: The survey
Derek and List,
WHILE your comment is valid, it does seem unusually defeatist.
I believe we should continue pressing for a service which meets our
needs -
(or someone will decide decide that we will be leaner and fitter by
giving
up cake altogether) . While NOT EXACTLY HOLDING MY BREATH, I'M JUST
WAITING
TO SEE HOU OUR QUESTIONNAIR RESPONSES ARE INTERPRETED AND WHAT ACTION
(IF
ANY) FOLLOWS.
READING HAS BECOME MORE TEDIOUS AND INEFFICIENT AND CONSEQUENTLY less
productive.
I cannot understand why HTML is recommended by rnibsollutions and I
wonder
whether sighted rreaders grasp my particular problem. As my
screenreader
only reads one line at a time, it can sometimes be difficult to
understand a
complicated paragraph, especially as my hearing is deteriorating and I
may
wish to check specific words. (Is this a common problem or is my
screenreader particularly inefficient?) Best wishes, Huw.
-----Original Message-----
From: Derek Hornby
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 10:30 PM
To: ntnm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ntnm] Re: The survey
Well while I don't like the changes,
lets not forget RNIB could have closed down the service.
So isn't half a cake better than no cake!
Derek
-----Original Message-----
From: ntnm-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ntnm-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf
Of Badger
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 1:32 AM
To: ntnm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ntnm] Re: The survey
well I'm flatout out not happy about the take over, the changes, the
way
it's been handled and I'm pretty sure I won't be renewing my
subscription
next year. Well done RNIB.
Oh and rather than just have us fill out a survey, why not just read
the
hundreds, if not thousands of complaints, read this list and fix the
massive
mess you made.
it's such a shame to see such a useful and well loved service be lost
but
I'll bet in a few years, this won't exist anymore.
-----Original Message-----
From: ntnm-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ntnm-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf
Of Dan Roche
Sent: 23 July 2014 11:47
To: ntnm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ntnm] Re: The survey
Gareth,
I've been getting message's on this list but no weekly newsletters!!
And
haven't heard anything about the survey since I sent mine back!!
Hope you get this message
Dan
-----Original Message-----
From: ntnm-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ntnm-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf
Of Gareth Williams
Sent: 23 July 2014 11:44
To: ntnm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ntnm] The survey
Hi all
It is now a month since some of us completed the survey. I have seen
no
resulting response from NIB. Nor are we getting weekly updates any
more. Is
this in the hope that the list will die from inertia? If so, it is
working
very well, as the list is now very quiet.
If this is because everyone is now happy with the product this would
be
great, but I would be surprised were this to be the case.
I have to say that some messages, on this and other lists, are not
reaching
me for some reason, so if I have missed any response then I apologise.
All the best
Gareth
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