. . Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 19:42:03 -0800 From: Richard Hake <rrhake@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Reply-To: Net-Gold@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To: AERA-L@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Cc: Net-Gold@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [Net-Gold] Is It Possible For Students Who Can Solve Traditional Problems To Lack Conceptual Understanding? . . If you reply to this long (10 kB) post please don't hit the reply button unless you prune the copy of this post that may appear in your reply down to a few relevant lines, otherwise the entire already archived post may be needlessly resent to subscribers. . ********************************************** . ABSTRACT: Math-Teach's Robert Hansen, in his post "An Interesting Study" <http://bit.ly/xRJ4Nw> wrote (paraphrasing): "Thomas Judson's study 'High School Calculus in the United States and in Japan' <http://bit.ly/z13oSx>] shows what I've been asserting all along - Hake's hypothesis that good students who can solve problems lack conceptual understanding is BS." . That "good students who can solve problems lack conceptual understanding" is NOT the "Hake Hyopothesis" and is NOT "BS," unless "BS" means something like "Basic Sense." See, for example Kim & Pak's "Students do not overcome conceptual difficulties after solving 1000 traditional problems" <http://bit.ly/ApWSju>. . ********************************************** . Math-Teach's Robert Hansen [1], in his Math-Teach post "An Interesting Study" wrote [bracketed by lines "HHHHHH. . . . .", my insert at ". . . . .[[insert]]. . . . .": . HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH . I came across a study that should be done over and over . . . . . [["High School Calculus in the United States and in Japan" (Judson [2]). . Essentially, high performing students in the US and Japan were given two calculus exams. One exam was filled with conceptual questions while the second required much more algebraic manipulation. . Both sets of students did well on the concept exam, and the Japanese students hadn't even seen these types of problems before. . The US students did poorly on the algebraic problems while the Japanese students did well. . It has been my assertion all along that the notion (the HAKE HYPOTHESIS) THAT GOOD STUDENTS WHO CAN SOLVE PROBLEMS LACK CONCEPTUAL UNDERSTANDING IS BS. . . . . .[[My CAPS.]]. . . You don't achieve a level of acumen without knowing what the heck you are doing. . HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH . That "good students who can solve problems lack conceptual understanding" is NOT the "Hake Hypothesis " and is NOT "BS," unless "BS" means something like "Basic Sense." . For example, the abstract of "Students do not overcome conceptual difficulties after solving 1000 traditional problems"(Kim & Pak [3]) reads as follows: . "The relation between traditional physics textbook problem solving and conceptual understanding was investigated. The number of problems a student solved, as estimated by students themselves, ranged from 300 to 2900 with an average of about 1500. The students did not have much difficulty in using physics formulas and mathematics. However, we found that they still had many of the well-known conceptual difficulties with basic mechanics, and there was little correlation between the number of problems solved and conceptual understanding. This result suggests that traditional problem solving has a limited effect on conceptual understanding." . Kim & Pak's first two and last paragraphs are [bracketed by lines . "K&P-K&P-K&P-K&P. . . . .]: . K&P-K&P-K&P-K&P-K&P-K&P-K&P-K&P-K&P-K&P-K&P-K&P . Because a major goal of physics teaching and learning is problem solving, the solution of exercises and problems is a major component of most physics classes, both in high schools and universities. Recent research in physics education has demonstrated that many students retain fundamental conceptual difficulties, even after instruction.[4-9] . One possible explanation for this situation is that students "haven't done enough problems." In Korea, as a result of the particular procedures for admission to the university, the students in this study have solved many exercises and problems, an average of 1500, as part of their preparation. In this paper we investigate whether this problem solving eliminates the conceptual difficulties found by researchers elsewhere. The conceptual understanding of these students was investigated using qualitative questions about basic mechanics . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The result of this investigation provides evidence for the limits of traditional problem solving. Although traditional problem solving is an important part of studying to understand physics concepts, some aspects of conceptual understanding might require other approaches. . K&P-K&P-K&P-K&P-K&P-K&P-K&P-K&P-K&P-K&P-K&P-K&P . Of course it's conceivable that e.g., in math education "Students DO overcome conceptual difficulties after solving 1000 traditional problems." But, unfortunately, little *substantive* math education research has been undertaken in this area (please correct me if I'm wrong). . . . Richard Hake, Emeritus Professor of Physics, Indiana University Honorary Member, Curmudgeon Lodge of Deventer, The Netherlands President, PEdants for Definitive Academic References which Recognize the Invention of the Internet (PEDARRII) <rrhake@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Links to Articles: <http://bit.ly/a6M5y0> Links to SDI Labs: <http://bit.ly/9nGd3M> Blog: <http://bit.ly/9yGsXh> Academia: <http://iub.academia.edu/RichardHake> Twitter <https://twitter.com/#!/rrhake> . . . 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Phys. 55: 691-696 (1987); online at <http://bit.ly/zDz2um>. . 7. L.C. McDermott, P.S. Shaffer, and M.D. Somers, "Research as a guide for teaching introductory mechanics: An illustration in the context of the Atwood's machine," Am. J. Phys. 62: 46-55 (1994), online as a 1.2 MB pdf at <http://bit.ly/wU8u9s>. . 8. L.C. McDermott, "Research on conceptual understanding in mechanics," Phys. Today 37 (7): 24-32 (1984);online at <http://dx.doi.org/10.1063/1.2916318>. . 9. D. Twigger et al., "The conception of force and motion of students aged between 10 and 15 years: An interview study designed to guide instruction," Int. J. Sci. Educ. 16: 215-229 (1994); the first page is online at <http://bit.ly/A3yrlv>. . .