[ncsc-moths] Re: Tolype
- From: "J. Merrill Lynch" <jmerrilllynch@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: ncsc-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 12:53:25 -0400
I think all are probably notialis based on size, the pronounced
indentation(s) along the subterminal line and the possibility of being
double brooded.
Merrill
On Sep 29, 2011 12:29 PM, "kjchilds" <kjchilds@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> There were 2 from a few days ago....one was worn and the other was pretty
clean.
>
> The one from last night was in the same size range as what I replied on
Tuesday. All were about the same size, palps to outer margin from 17 to 19mm
with the one from last night a measured 18mm.
>
> Ken Childs
> Henderson, TN
> Chester County
>
> http://tinyurl.com/Kens-Moths-2011
> http://tinyurl.com/Night-Creatures
> http://www.finishflagfarms.com
>
> ________________________________
> From: J. Merrill Lynch <jmerrilllynch@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: ncsc-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 11:10 AM
> Subject: [ncsc-moths] Re: Tolype
>
>
> Ken,
>
> The ones from last night look like T. notialis to me--the subterminal line
has some pretty significant indentations in it. The one from a few days ago
I can't tell because most of the scales on the forewing are worn off. I
looked at some of the ones from June/July and now think they may be notialis
as well. Hugh has asked and I'll ask again, do you notice any size
difference between the recent ones and the ones from June/July? Notialis is
significantly smaller than velleda.
>
> Velleda is supposedly single brooded but I don't know about notialis. I'm
beginning to think all of your moths may be notialis, particularly if I can
find some indication that species in double-brooded.
>
> Merrill
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 11:54 AM, kjchilds <kjchilds@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> Another one showed up last night. Any thoughts on this one and others from
July and a few days ago?
>>
>>
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http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p193/kjchilds/Moths%202011/Moths%202011%20temporary/IMG_9314.jpg
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http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p193/kjchilds/Moths%202011/Moths%202011%20temporary/IMG_9315.jpg
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>>Ken Childs
>>Henderson, TN
>>Chester County
>>
>>http://tinyurl.com/Kens-Moths-2011
>>http://tinyurl.com/Night-Creatures
>>http://www.finishflagfarms.com
>>
>>
>>
>>________________________________
>>From: kjchilds <kjchilds@xxxxxxxxx>
>>To: "ncsc-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <ncsc-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 12:22 PM
>>Subject: [ncsc-moths] Re: Watauga County Moths--27 September 2011
>>
>>Here are the 2 from last night.
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http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p193/kjchilds/Moths%202011/Moths%202011%20temporary/IMG_9237.jpg
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http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p193/kjchilds/Moths%202011/Moths%202011%20temporary/IMG_9236.jpg
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http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p193/kjchilds/Moths%202011/Moths%202011%20temporary/IMG_9242.jpg
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http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p193/kjchilds/Moths%202011/Moths%202011%20temporary/IMG_9244.jpg
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>>
>>Ken Childs
>>Henderson, TN
>>Chester County
>>
>>http://tinyurl.com/Kens-Moths-2011
>>http://tinyurl.com/Night-Creatures
>>http://www.finishflagfarms.com
>>
>>
>>
>>________________________________
>>From: kjchilds <kjchilds@xxxxxxxxx>
>>To: "ncsc-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <ncsc-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 11:33 AM
>>Subject: [ncsc-moths] Re: Watauga County Moths--27 September 2011
>>
>>
>>I'm editing my photos from last night and now I'm wondering if maybe what
I had last night were T notialis. I'll post them in a little while.
>>
>>
>>Ken Childs
>>Henderson, TN
>>Chester County
>>
>>http://tinyurl.com/Kens-Moths-2011
>>http://tinyurl.com/Night-Creatures
>>http://www.finishflagfarms.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>________________________________
>>From: Hugh McGuinness <hdmcguinness@xxxxxxxxx>
>>To: ncsc-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 10:50 AM
>>Subject: [ncsc-moths] Re: Watauga County Moths--27 September 2011
>>
>>
>>OK, with egg on my face I would now say that your moths from earlier in
the year are probably T notialis based on 1. the notch in the terminal line,
2. the waviness of the pm line and 3. the date!!!! Isn't T. notialis small
compared to velleda? Were your June moths small?
>>
>>Hugh
>>
>>
>>On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 10:57 AM, kjchilds <kjchilds@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>>You and Hugh both ID'd it as vellada. :-)
>>>
>>>
http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p193/kjchilds/Moths%202011/Moths%202011%20temporary/IMG_6113.jpg
>>>
http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p193/kjchilds/Moths%202011/Moths%202011%20temporary/IMG_6111.jpg
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Ken Childs
>>>Henderson, TN
>>>Chester County
>>>
>>>http://tinyurl.com/Kens-Moths-2011
>>>http://tinyurl.com/Night-Creatures
>>>http://www.finishflagfarms.com
>>>
>>>
>>>________________________________
>>>From: J. Merrill Lynch <jmerrilllynch@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>To: ncsc-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 9:41 AM
>>>Subject: [ncsc-moths] Re: Watauga County Moths--27 September 2011
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Are you sure you had vellada in June? There is another species that
flies then.
>>>Merrill
>>>On Sep 27, 2011 10:19 AM, "kjchilds" <kjchilds@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>> I had 2 Tolype velleda last night which has me wondering if they really
have only one generation per year. I had 2 in early July that were obviously
from 2 different broods and then no more until late September. Is there
possibly a second generation in the south or are all from last year?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ken Childs
>>>> Henderson, TN
>>>> Chester County
>>>>
>>>> http://tinyurl.com/Kens-Moths-2011
>>>> http://tinyurl.com/Night-Creatures
>>>> http://www.finishflagfarms.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> J. Merrill Lynch
> Echo Valley Farm
> Watauga County, NC
> Elevation: 3,400 feet
>
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