Lori, I've struggled with these as well so don't feel bad! The female O. obstipata is easy to recognize with the liver brown color and contrasting white discal spots. The males are another story. O. obstipata generally has more concolorous wings usually showing a sharp black am band and a distinct blackish oblique shade to the apex. Centrostrigaria has distinct blackish am band and similar pm band on costal half only. I actually think you may have both spp--the top one is obstipata male and the bottom two centrostrigaria females. But there is obviously a lot of variation and I'm by no means certain. Have you seen any obstipata females? Look at the plates in Covell. J. Merrill Lynch Echo Valley Farm Watauga County, NC 3,400 feet elevation Sent from my iPad On Jan 8, 2012, at 2:41 PM, Lori Owenby <loriowenby@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Man this is turning out harder than I remembered! I now think all > three of these are #7414 Orthonama obstipata--The Gem. They are all > so different and yet I keep coming back to this species. I've been > looking ALL day! Help! Please . . . :) > > I was originally looking at Euphyia intermediata for the one that is > more white--but I just don't think the pm line is toothed enough . . . > . . > > -- > ----- > Lori Owenby > St. Stephens/Riverbend Park Ranger > Catawba County Parks > Conover, NC > > "The Constitution only guarantees the American people the right to > pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself." ~Benjamin Franklin > <Copy of DSCF8341.jpg> > <Copy of DSCF8346.jpg> > <Copy of DSCF8348.jpg>