Thanks hugh, i saw several well marked sobrialis as well, this ones shape appeared different. I should probably just give up on faded worn individuals or bad photos, but for our state park inventories everything counts so had to try! Brian Bockhahn Durham NC On May 26, 2014, at 10:32 PM, Hugh McGuinness <hdmcguinness@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Hi Brian, > > I think the first one is Renia, perhaps sobrialis. > > The second one does have short palps, but I have never seen adspergillus with > such speckling despite the common name. > > Hugh > > > On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 10:08 PM, Brian Bockhahn <birdranger248@xxxxxxxxx> > wrote: > Found during the day at Merchants Millpond state park, Gates county, NC May > 21, 2014. > > The closest I can get on one is 8375.97 – Bleptina sp. – Unidentified > Bleptina Moths but still not a perfect match. > > The other seems to be 8386 – Renia adspergillus – Speckled Renia Moth. > > Thanks for any help! > > -- > Brian Bockhahn > birdranger248@xxxxxxxxx > > > > > -- > Hugh McGuinness > Washington, D.C.