I sent the pics to J.D. Roberts and here's his take. "That's definitely not biundata - it's guttivitta. The two species have slightly different in appearance AM/PM lines, there are numerous guttivitta with visible lines. Two easy ways to tell these two apart, are 1) biundata generally has larger black chevrons making up its subterminal line, whereas guttivitta only has a narrow, smaller set of connecting dashes making up its ST line (when it's even visible). And 2) biundata always has a brownish-orange patch in its thoracic scaling (posterior), whereas guttivitta does not. FYI, there's a few misidentified moths on the MPG biundata page." Ken Childs Henderson, TN Chester County http://tinyurl.com/FinishFlagFarmsMoths http://www.finishflagfarms.com ; ________________________________ From: kjchilds <kjchilds@xxxxxxxxx> To: "ncsc-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <ncsc-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 8:26 PM Subject: [ncsc-moths] Re: Problems with Prominents There's one confirmed by DNA on MPG that does show distinct lines so I don't think seeing faint lines can confirm the ID as biundata. I'm not saying it isn't biundata but I can't see anything on this moth that will convince me 100% of either species. Ken Childs Henderson, TN Chester County http://tinyurl.com/FinishFlagFarmsMoths http://www.finishflagfarms.com ; ________________________________ From: J. Merrill Lynch <jmerrilllynch@xxxxxxxxx> To: ncsc-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 7:48 PM Subject: [ncsc-moths] Re: Problems with Prominents I can make out wavy brownish am and pm lines which guttivata doesn't show. On May 25, 2012 8:45 PM, "kjchilds" <kjchilds@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: Merrill, what is it about this moth that tells you it's biundata? > >Ken Childs >Henderson, TN >Chester County > >http://tinyurl.com/FinishFlagFarmsMoths >http://www.finishflagfarms.com ; > > > > >________________________________ > From: J. Merrill Lynch <jmerrilllynch@xxxxxxxxx> >To: ncsc-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 7:39 PM >Subject: [ncsc-moths] Re: Problems with Prominents > > >Biundata >On May 25, 2012 8:34 PM, "Bob Perkins" <perkybear@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >I spent time yesterday and today trying to puzzle out a large, dark Prominent, >using images from both days. My guess is Heterocampa or Heterocampa >guttivitta, but it's time to ask. Suggestions please. >> >>Bob >> >> >> >> >>------------------------ >>Bob Perkins >>Woodlawn, Virginia >>Historian and General Outdoorsman >> >> >> >> >> >> > >