Paul, Have you looked in the Pyralids? The second moth appears to have the shape of a Pyralid and the first one reminds me of Vitula edmansii, but it isn't a good fit. Bob ------------------- On Jan 16, 2012, at 8:16 AM, Paul wrote: > I'm not getting anywhere with these two . Any help or ideas will be > appreciated. The first one is back in June and the second one is Oct. Thanks, > Paul > <1.jpg><2.jpg> ------------------------ Bob Perkins Woodlawn, Virginia Historian and General Outdoorsman