And of course the Eastern Cottonwood (Populus deltoides) is widespread in the floodplains along the major creeks in Mecklenburg County. Re the moth, I don't see how this can be a Phoberia. The Moth Photographers Group has a photo of Even-lined Sallow by David Reed that looks spot on like mine, to me at least. I haven't seen a Phoberia with the well-marked reniform, orbicular, or claviform spots my photo shows. (Well, the claviform spots aren't THAT evident but you can see the contrast where the spot is supposed to be. The reflective lighting on the pic obscures that spot. The reniform spot on Phoberia always looks to me like the receiver on an old dial-up phone; long, thick at both ends (or at least dark on the ends giving the impression of thicker), and narrower in the middle. Taylor Piephoff Charlotte, NC PiephoffT@xxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: TNT Sanders <tsanders1993@xxxxxxx> To: ncsc-moths <ncsc-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Mon, Feb 14, 2011 12:30 pm Subject: [ncsc-moths] Re: Even-lined Sallow Thanks Merrill, I wasn't aware of that. We learn something new everyday! Tom Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 09:16:42 -0500 Subject: [ncsc-moths] Re: Even-lined Sallow From: jmerrilllynch@xxxxxxxxx To: ncsc-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Yes. Tulip Poplar is not really a poplar but a member of the Magnolia family. Poplars are in the genus Populus and are in the same family with willows (Salicaceae). That is the problem with common names; many times species that are not related at all share the same or similar common name. Merrill On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 9:03 AM, TNT Sanders <tsanders1993@xxxxxxx> wrote: Am I mistaken in thinking that in addition to the ornamental Silver Poplar have also have Tulip (Yellow) Poplar in Mecklenburg county? Tom Sanders Charlotte, NC From: pandlscharf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx To: ncsc-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [ncsc-moths] Re: Even-lined Sallow Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 21:56:58 -0500 Taylor, I sent your photo off to the guy that does all the Bar-coding. Here are his comments.: "Paul: I am unsure about this moth. It seems too large for Ipimorpha, the most southern records I know of are Ky (listed in Va. but Covell given as reference meaning not caught in recent times) and Ferguson believed it only feeds on poplar or aspen which other than the ornamental silver poplar leaves Mecklenburg County out. I wonder if it could be a late flying Phoberia. Size seems right and the pattern varies all over the place. June is late for it but maybe a stray one delayed by some factor or the photographic date is not right. Need I say it again, if we only had a specimen we could be sure. Best I can do." Hope this helps some. Paul -- J. Merrill Lynch Echo Valley Farm Watauga County, NC Elevation: 3,400 feet Taylor Piephoff Charlotte, NC PiephoffT@xxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: TNT Sanders <tsanders1993@xxxxxxx> To: ncsc-moths <ncsc-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Mon, Feb 14, 2011 12:30 pm Subject: [ncsc-moths] Re: Even-lined Sallow Thanks Merrill, I wasn't aware of that. We learn something new everyday! Tom Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 09:16:42 -0500 Subject: [ncsc-moths] Re: Even-lined Sallow From: jmerrilllynch@xxxxxxxxx To: ncsc-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Yes. Tulip Poplar is not really a poplar but a member of the Magnolia family. Poplars are in the genus Populus and are in the same family with willows (Salicaceae). That is the problem with common names; many times species that are not related at all share the same or similar common name. Merrill On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 9:03 AM, TNT Sanders <tsanders1993@xxxxxxx> wrote: Am I mistaken in thinking that in addition to the ornamental Silver Poplar have also have Tulip (Yellow) Poplar in Mecklenburg county? Tom Sanders Charlotte, NC From: pandlscharf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx To: ncsc-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [ncsc-moths] Re: Even-lined Sallow Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 21:56:58 -0500 Taylor, I sent your photo off to the guy that does all the Bar-coding. Here are his comments.: "Paul: I am unsure about this moth. It seems too large for Ipimorpha, the most southern records I know of are Ky (listed in Va. but Covell given as reference meaning not caught in recent times) and Ferguson believed it only feeds on poplar or aspen which other than the ornamental silver poplar leaves Mecklenburg County out. I wonder if it could be a late flying Phoberia. Size seems right and the pattern varies all over the place. June is late for it but maybe a stray one delayed by some factor or the photographic date is not right. Need I say it again, if we only had a specimen we could be sure. Best I can do." Hope this helps some. Paul -- J. Merrill Lynch Echo Valley Farm Watauga County, NC Elevation: 3,400 feet