[nas-2000] Re: Poor performance ?

  • From: philipp Wehrheim <flipstar@xxxxxxx>
  • To: nas-2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 21:41:35 +0200

ok can please somebody try this:

stop the ftp-server

/usr/hddapp/etc/rc.d/S91proftpd stop

delete this
rm -rf /var/run/proftpd/

and restart
/usr/hddapp/etc/rc.d/S91proftpd start

is it now faster for you?

I get ~4,5 MB/s

Aurelien schrieb:
> Nothing to do with the log detail level that you set in your
> proftpd.conf file?
> 
> philipp Wehrheim a écrit :
>> Hi again,
>>
>> I found the main differense even though I don't know
>> how to fix it
>>
>> proftpd on tinky when running with -d 10 -n
>>
>> does lots of
>> icybox.local (192.168.10.10[192.168.10.10]) - FS: using system write()
>>
>> which the orig fw doesn't ...
>> guess thats the problem
>>
>> anybody got a clue?
>>
>>
>> Aurel schrieb:
>>  
>>> Is it also possible to get old proftpd libs (I know that some
>>> librairies have
>>> been overwritten with latest proftpd version)?
>>> Indeed, I would like to test the full "old proftpd package" on tinky
>>> box.
>>>
>>> (By the way, can you the list of new list that are used with the
>>> tinky firmware?
>>> If the porblem is not coming from the binaries, it can come from new
>>> libs...)
>>>
>>> Regards !
>>>
>>>
>>> Selon "flipstar@xxxxxxx" <flipstar@xxxxxxx>:
>>>
>>>    
>>>> here it is ..
>>>>
>>>> Aurel schrieb:
>>>>      
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> Does someone has the original proftpd binary file ?
>>>>> I would like to try on my tinky box to see my performances.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Selon philipp Wehrheim <flipstar@xxxxxxx>:
>>>>>
>>>>>        
>>>>>> sure
>>>>>>
>>>>>> by the way today i visited the kiss webpage the kiss 1600 looks cool
>>>>>> but my question is what exectly can you do with the kissdx
>>>>>> and dos the kiss support upnp(av)?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> thanks
>>>>>> flip
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Julius Loman schrieb:
>>>>>>          
>>>>>>> On Sat, May 12, 2007 at 09:32:32PM +0200, philipp Wehrheim
>>>>>>>             
>>>>>> <flipstar@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>          
>>>>>>>> there are now 2 new ipk's lsof and strace ...
>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>> could you add the kissdx and relevant packages to your web please
>>>>>>> ? just
>>>>>>> if somebody is interested.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> i've sent you an email two days ago with the link -
>>>>>>> http://lomo.kyberia.net/nas2000/.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> regards
>>>>>>> julius
>>>>>>>            
>>>>>>>> philipp Wehrheim schrieb:
>>>>>>>>              
>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> today I did some stacing and compared tinky's and raidsonic's
>>>>>>>>> proftp
>>>>>>>>> work.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> when running proftp (the same binary) on tinky it looks like this.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ................
>>>>>>>>> time(NULL)                              = 67811881
>>>>>>>>> alarm(219)                              = 0
>>>>>>>>> write(11,
>>>>>>>>> "\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0"...,
>>>>>>>>> 8192) = 8192
>>>>>>>>> gettimeofday({67811881, 150000}, NULL)  = 0
>>>>>>>>> select(14, [13], [], NULL, {1, 0})      = 1 (in [13], left {1, 0})
>>>>>>>>> read(13,
>>>>>>>>> "\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0"...,
>>>>>>>>> 8192) = 8192
>>>>>>>>> alarm(0)                                = 219
>>>>>>>>> time(NULL)                              = 67811881
>>>>>>>>> time(NULL)                              = 67811881
>>>>>>>>> alarm(219)                              = 0
>>>>>>>>> alarm(0)                                = 219
>>>>>>>>> time(NULL)                              = 67811881
>>>>>>>>> time(NULL)                              = 67811881
>>>>>>>>> alarm(219)                              = 0
>>>>>>>>> write(11,
>>>>>>>>> "\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0"...,
>>>>>>>>> 8192) = 8192
>>>>>>>>> gettimeofday({67811881, 510000}, NULL)  = 0
>>>>>>>>> select(14, [13], [], NULL, {1, 0})      = 1 (in [13], left {1, 0})
>>>>>>>>> read(13,
>>>>>>>>> "\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0"...,
>>>>>>>>> 8192) = 8192
>>>>>>>>> alarm(0)                                = 219
>>>>>>>>> time(NULL)                              = 67811881
>>>>>>>>> time(NULL)                              = 67811881
>>>>>>>>> alarm(219)                              = 0
>>>>>>>>> alarm(0)                                = 219
>>>>>>>>> time(NULL)                              = 67811881
>>>>>>>>> time(NULL)                              = 67811881
>>>>>>>>> .............
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> and on the raidsonic fw like this
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ...............
>>>>>>>>> time(NULL)                              = 101373
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> alarm(72)                               = 0
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> alarm(0)                                = 72
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> time(NULL)                              = 101373
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> time(NULL)                              = 101373
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> alarm(72)                               = 0
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> sendfile64(9, 11, [193131480], 4294967295) = 65536
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> alarm(0)                                = 72
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> time(NULL)                              = 101373
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> time(NULL)                              = 101373
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> alarm(72)                               = 0
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> alarm(0)                                = 72
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> time(NULL)                              = 101373
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> time(NULL)                              = 101374
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> alarm(72)                               = 0
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> sendfile64(9, 11, [193164248], 4294967295) = 65536
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> alarm(0)                                = 72
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> time(NULL)                              = 101374
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> time(NULL)                              = 101374
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> alarm(72)                               = 0
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> alarm(0)                                = 72
>>>>>>>>> .................
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> to me it looks like the reads and write proftpd is doing when
>>>>>>>>> executed
>>>>>>>>> on tinky eats up lots of time ....
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Im not sure here it comes from ...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Anybody having an idea?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Aurelien schrieb:
>>>>>>>>>                
>>>>>>>>>> Good Mornin' everybody !
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Here are mine. they are very poor and i'm still investigating
>>>>>>>>>> to find
>>>>>>>>>> some answers....
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Firmware:  tinky-2_3_2-mu-02.2.tgz
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>> <http://www.nas-2000.org/download/tinky-2_3_2_mu_02/tinky-2_3_2-mu-02.2.tgz>
>>>>
>>>>      
>>>>>>>>>> FTP:
>>>>>>>>>>    Up: 1.5MB/S
>>>>>>>>>>    Down: 1.8MB/S (==> 2.3MB/S with initial proftpd.conf file)
>>>>>>>>>> SMB:
>>>>>>>>>>    Up: 1.5MB/S
>>>>>>>>>>    Down: 1.8MB/S
>>>>>>>>>> File System:
>>>>>>>>>>    Ext3 (400GB)
>>>>>>>>>> Drive test results:
>>>>>>>>>>    root@NASDRIVE:~ # hdparm -tT /dev/hda1
>>>>>>>>>>    /dev/hda1:
>>>>>>>>>>     Timing buffer-cache reads:   124 MB in  2.04 seconds =  60.78
>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>> MB/sec
>>>>      
>>>>>>>>>>     Timing buffered disk reads:   26 MB in  3.00 seconds =   8.67
>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>> MB/sec
>>>>      
>>>>>>>>>> Computer OS:
>>>>>>>>>>    XP, same results with ubuntu live cd
>>>>>>>>>> Network:
>>>>>>>>>>    NASBOX / LINKSYS WRT54G / ETHERNET
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>   philipp Wehrheim a écrit :
>>>>>>>>>>                  
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi everybody,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> here is my proftpd bechmark:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I used a 200M file created with
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> dd if=/dev/zero of=./200M_file bs=1M count=200
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> When I did these test samba, nfs and well yes proftd where
>>>>>>>>>>> running.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> for tinky-2.3.2-mu-02.2 I get this results:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> upload
>>>>>>>>>>> time ncftpput -u admin -p admin 192.168.10.100 . ./200M_file
>>>>>>>>>>> ./200M_file:                         200.00 MB    2.83 MB/s
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> real    1m11.035s
>>>>>>>>>>> user    0m0.056s
>>>>>>>>>>> sys     0m1.140s
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> download
>>>>>>>>>>> time ncftpget -u admin -p admin 192.168.10.100 . ./200M_file
>>>>>>>>>>> 200M_file:                           200.00 MB    5.83 MB/s
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> real    0m34.539s
>>>>>>>>>>> user    0m0.400s
>>>>>>>>>>> sys     0m4.956s
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> for raidsonic fw 2_3_2-IB-2
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> upload
>>>>>>>>>>> time ncftpput -u admin -p admin 192.168.10.99 . ./200M_file
>>>>>>>>>>> ./200M_file:                         200.00 MB    5.65 MB/s
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> real    0m35.999s
>>>>>>>>>>> user    0m0.072s
>>>>>>>>>>> sys     0m0.984s
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> download
>>>>>>>>>>> time ncftpget -u admin -p admin 192.168.10.99 . ./200M_file
>>>>>>>>>>> 200M_file:                           200.00 MB    4.23 MB/s
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> real    0m47.516s
>>>>>>>>>>> user    0m0.456s
>>>>>>>>>>> sys     0m4.844s
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So I think Tinky is doing quite well when it comes to download
>>>>>>>>>>> but is very slow with uploads.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Running proftd -V on the tinky fw
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Features:
>>>>>>>>>>>     + Autoshadow support
>>>>>>>>>>>     + Controls support
>>>>>>>>>>>     + curses support
>>>>>>>>>>>     - Developer support
>>>>>>>>>>>     - DSO support
>>>>>>>>>>>     - IPv6 support
>>>>>>>>>>>     + Largefile support
>>>>>>>>>>>     + ncurses support
>>>>>>>>>>>     - POSIX ACL support
>>>>>>>>>>>     + Shadow file support
>>>>>>>>>>>     + Sendfile support
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>   Tunable Options:
>>>>>>>>>>>     PR_TUNABLE_BUFFER_SIZE = 1024
>>>>>>>>>>>     PR_TUNABLE_GLOBBING_MAX = 8
>>>>>>>>>>>     PR_TUNABLE_HASH_TABLE_SIZE = 40
>>>>>>>>>>>     PR_TUNABLE_NEW_POOL_SIZE = 512
>>>>>>>>>>>     PR_TUNABLE_RCVBUFSZ = 87380
>>>>>>>>>>>     PR_TUNABLE_SCOREBOARD_BUFFER_SIZE = 80
>>>>>>>>>>>     PR_TUNABLE_SCOREBOARD_SCRUB_TIMER = 30
>>>>>>>>>>>     PR_TUNABLE_SELECT_TIMEOUT = 30
>>>>>>>>>>>     PR_TUNABLE_SNDBUFSZ = 16384
>>>>>>>>>>>     PR_TUNABLE_TIMEOUTIDENT = 10
>>>>>>>>>>>     PR_TUNABLE_TIMEOUTIDLE = 600
>>>>>>>>>>>     PR_TUNABLE_TIMEOUTLINGER = 180
>>>>>>>>>>>     PR_TUNABLE_TIMEOUTLOGIN = 300
>>>>>>>>>>>     PR_TUNABLE_TIMEOUTNOXFER = 300
>>>>>>>>>>>     PR_TUNABLE_TIMEOUTSTALLED = 3600
>>>>>>>>>>>     PR_TUNABLE_XFER_BUFFER_SIZE = 16384
>>>>>>>>>>>     PR_TUNABLE_XFER_SCOREBOARD_UPDATES = 10
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> and running proftd -V on 2_3_2-IB-2
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>   Features:
>>>>>>>>>>>     + Autoshadow support
>>>>>>>>>>>     - Controls support
>>>>>>>>>>>     + curses support
>>>>>>>>>>>     - Developer support
>>>>>>>>>>>     - DSO support
>>>>>>>>>>>     - IPv6 support
>>>>>>>>>>>     + Largefile support
>>>>>>>>>>>     + ncurses support
>>>>>>>>>>>     - POSIX ACL support
>>>>>>>>>>>     + Shadow file support
>>>>>>>>>>>     + Sendfile support
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>   Tunable Options:
>>>>>>>>>>>     PR_TUNABLE_BUFFER_SIZE = 1024
>>>>>>>>>>>     PR_TUNABLE_GLOBBING_MAX = 8
>>>>>>>>>>>     PR_TUNABLE_HASH_TABLE_SIZE = 40
>>>>>>>>>>>     PR_TUNABLE_NEW_POOL_SIZE = 512
>>>>>>>>>>>     PR_TUNABLE_RCVBUFSZ = 8192
>>>>>>>>>>>     PR_TUNABLE_SCOREBOARD_BUFFER_SIZE = 80
>>>>>>>>>>>     PR_TUNABLE_SCOREBOARD_SCRUB_TIMER = 30
>>>>>>>>>>>     PR_TUNABLE_SELECT_TIMEOUT = 30
>>>>>>>>>>>     PR_TUNABLE_SNDBUFSZ = 8192
>>>>>>>>>>>     PR_TUNABLE_TIMEOUTIDENT = 10
>>>>>>>>>>>     PR_TUNABLE_TIMEOUTIDLE = 600
>>>>>>>>>>>     PR_TUNABLE_TIMEOUTLINGER = 180
>>>>>>>>>>>     PR_TUNABLE_TIMEOUTLOGIN = 300
>>>>>>>>>>>     PR_TUNABLE_TIMEOUTNOXFER = 300
>>>>>>>>>>>     PR_TUNABLE_TIMEOUTSTALLED = 3600
>>>>>>>>>>>     PR_TUNABLE_XFER_BUFFER_SIZE = 1024
>>>>>>>>>>>     PR_TUNABLE_XFER_SCOREBOARD_UPDATES = 10
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Further more the tinky proftpd has support (modules) for dyndns,
>>>>>>>>>>> shaper and ctrls (see proftpd -vv) which the 2_3_2-IB-2 has not.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'll change the RCVBUFSZ to the size of SNDBUFSZ and we
>>>>>>>>>>> should discuss which modules are really needed for the ftp.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>>>>> regards
>>>>>>>>>>> flip
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Aurel schrieb:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>                    
>>>>>>>>>>>> Can you send us your proftpd.conf file !
>>>>>>>>>>>> Indeed with mine, transfers are limited to 1.5M/s !
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Selon Julius Loman <lomo@xxxxxxxxxxx>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>                      
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 01:37:46PM +0200, Julius Loman
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <lomo@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                        
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 12:13:05PM +0200, Aurel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <massman@xxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                          
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can you give us the FTP speed levels as well for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                             
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ftp is ok (but was not working out-of-box, beacuse of unknown
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> directive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in configuration file)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> measured on 100MB file with wget: 6.92M/s
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>>>>>>> further testing gives me slightly better speeds when i
>>>>>>>>>>>>> mount the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>> share
>>>>>>          
>>>>>>>>>>>>> on my linux laptop with cifs instead of smbfs (about 2.9 MB/s)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> when accessing from windows, it is the same as with smbfs
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (1.7MB/s)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> could you guys post your smb.conf you have on your nas ? i
>>>>>>>>>>>>> haven't
>>>>>>>>>>>>> touched mine yet, but i want a comparision - just to be sure
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                        
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Selon Julius Loman <lomo@xxxxxxxxxxx>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                            
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi everybody
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm using tinky-2_3_2-mu-02.2 and I've got quite poor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>> throughtput
>>>>      
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> via
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SMB, only about 1.4MB/sec upload to NAS and about 1.9MB/sec
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> download.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When doing download/upload operations - top shows me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that smbd
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>> is
>>>>      
>>>>>>>>>>>>> eating
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                        
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ~95% cpu and i receive many software interrups (si value
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in top
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>> is
>>>>      
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ~34%).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you have such poor throughtput as well or do I have some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>> shitty
>>>>      
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> piece of hardware ? (Maybe slower CPU than you ?) I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> expected a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>> lot
>>>>      
>>>>>>>>>>>>> more.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                        
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> FYI - dma is turned on and I didn't measure performance
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> original
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> firmware, because I've overwritten it with tinky in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>> hour
>>>>      
>>>>>> as
>>>>>>          
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                        
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> box arrived.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here is my cpuinfo:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Processor       : FA52Xid(wb) rev 1 (v4l)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BogoMIPS        : 69.83
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Features        : swp half thumb
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CPU implementer : 0x66
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CPU architecture: 4
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CPU variant     : 0x0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CPU part        : 0x526
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CPU revision    : 1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cache type      : write-back
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cache clean     : cp15 c7 ops
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cache lockdown  : format B
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cache format    : Harvard
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I size          : 8192
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I assoc         : 2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I line length   : 16
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I sets          : 256
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> D size          : 4096
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> D assoc         : 2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> D line length   : 16
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> D sets          : 128
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hardware        : Sword sl2312
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Revision        : 0000
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Serial          : 0000000000000000
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [ Julius Loman ][ lomo@xxxxxxxxxxx ][
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://lomo.kyberia.net ][
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>>>>>>>>>>> icq:35732873
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                        
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aurel le bel homme
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                             
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [ Julius Loman ][ lomo@xxxxxxxxxxx ][
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://lomo.kyberia.net ][
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>>>>>>> icq:35732873 ]
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [ Julius Loman ][ lomo@xxxxxxxxxxx ][
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://lomo.kyberia.net ][
>>>>>>>>>>>>> icq:35732873
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Aurel
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> Aurel
>>>>>
>>>>>         
>>> -- 
>>> Aurel
>>>
>>>     
>>
>>   
> 
> 

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