The "governance" model was a simple document that said we won't tolerate
certain behaviors that we universally revile. It wasn't some Orwellian scheme
to control your life.
If you feel that was imposing on your personal liberty let me remind you that
you have the freedom not to participate. So do I. A freedom which I'm now
As I said, I'm not passionate about CoCs. But I did want to make this project
appealing to the widest possible audience and there is some evidence that CoCs
accomplish that if nothing more.
This community has clearly decided that appealing to a wider audience isn't
important to it. Given that it is up to community to show that it can be self
sufficient with the smaller audience that remains. Based on the past couple of
weeks, I've got my doubts.
Sustaining the community in the face of those decisions is not a cross I have
to carry. So I have set it down and walked away.
I am not going to engage any further in discussing this topic. Frankly it is
simply too emotionally exhausting and only serves to distance me further from
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On Feb 3, 2016, at 3:56 AM, Michael <mwpowellhtx@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On February 3, 2016 2:49:32 AM EST, Garrett D'Amore <garrett@xxxxxxxxxx>
Well since we're "here".
That I read and as far as I am concerned, no one was rejecting you, but
rather the "governance" model. A "solution" was proposed to what was, in my
How it is you convolved that with "I should resign" is beyond me. Clearly
something more was motivating that. I personally don't know and don't care.
However, surely you knew the cost when you entered into it. Many of us
"trolling" here bid you blessings and Godspeed as you did. So I don't see the
I don't know where you are in the world, but we're on a track for global
government that is on the order of 1984 scale in my and many awake people's
opinions. The answer is not more of the same poison that broke the leg in the
first place. The answer is 1776; in other words, the answer is liberty. But
what folks fail to realize is that liberty comes with a cost that I am not
sure most people are willing to pay.
If you really didn't want it in the first place, no hard feelings. I've made
my reasons for being here perfectly clear. Good luck and may God bless.
I just googled for the "news" and ran across the Reddit
discussion. OMG. Sheesh there was a lot of discussion there.
I was trying to do a good thing; instead I got pounded for it. Frankly
the negativism that accompanies most OSS projects makes me wonder why
we do this at all. After all it is always easier to gripe about who
some program is crapware than to do anything constructive. FOSS
maintainership is a thankless job. The CoC debacle just underscored
that for me.
As to being bribed to come back - while nothing is impossible - it
seems unlikely to me. The nanomsg code base is pretty unfun for me to
work on and it would take a lot to get me interested in it again. The
lack of sufficient interested contributors has meant I had to carry too
much of this beast - not my baby - on my own shoulders. The thankless
nature and sense of inherited responsibility didn't make it more fun.
My decision to step down may have been rashly made, but I think it was
the right thing.
My Github commits may have been down of late, but my quality of life
has been up. :-)
As to questions raised technically.
Sub sockets don't hang. Frankly even your pyzmq results seem suspect to
me although I don't use zmq anymore.
Mangos will for the time being attempt to remain compatible with
nanomsg. If nobody picks up nanomsg I may drive forward with mangos in
the future. We shall see.
As to security mangos supports TLS today. Doing so with zmq is possible
but a lot of work because the design isn't terribly friendly for
OpenSSLs abstractions. I'd planned to do so anyway at some point but
never found the cycles.
Using curve crypto looks interesting but again someone else would need
to drive it forward. I've got no time and TLS in mangos meets my needs.
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On Feb 2, 2016, at 8:56 PM, Andriy Drozdyuk <drozzy@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:firstplace... For what it's worth, this community is not as bad as the
Ironically, this whole fiasco is how I saw nanomsg in the
newsfeeds make it out to be. I think Garrett should be bribed to step
back in - while you guys make up your mind (just random 2 cents), while
CoC should be implemented - and perhaps C4 as well.
zeromq sub recv stops after 254 messages in pyzmq...)
So does nanomsg SUB socket also hang after a while randomly? (my
follow nanomsg or the other way around?
Mangos looks good - but how will it develop in the future? Will it
pretty dead for zeromq.
Also, you guys have better support for erlang, which seems to be
is pretty convenient.
How about security? Anything similar to curvezmq? Because that thing
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