>I think I have a slower G4 (400MHz?), Eric. Forgotten where to look. As for Go to Apple menu, Apple System Profiler. >why upgrading its a comibation of A - people telling me - and C - wondering >if I need to. My old Mac is 8.2 or something like that and, while I don't >use it for much more than word processing and e-mail, I realize the "world" >is passing it by. Why do you _need_ to upgrade (reason c)? > I'm wondering if the best thing to do for by G4 is to just do as you >suggest and boost the RAM to 512 since, even through I don't have photoshop >or its ilk, it could be in my future since I've purchased a digital camera. >jim 1. Software: GraphicConverter (shareware; 40 USD) PhotoSlop (a wonderful app) would be absolute overkill in your situation. GC is a wonderful app that does a whole slew of image manipulation functions (cropping, resolution changes, format changes, slide shows, slide shows of your videos (I've strung together some interesting clips without having to resort to iMovie), etc.). GIMP 2.0 (licence free software (as in open source software (OSS)); also free as in $0 cost): The GIMP 2.0 is getting rave reviews at versiontracker (<http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/22990>) but is an X-Windows based app (i.e. Mac OS X-only) and will most likely have a very funny interface (it's right-click driven in GNU/Linux so I imagine the same will be true in OS X). I've used version 1.1 in GNU/Linux and was impressed by its UI speed and the wide array of features, filters, etc. included FOR FREE. As a PhotoShop user I found it quite easy to use (YMMV but i think it may be easier for beginners to pick up than PhotoShop). I recently fired up version 2 on Linux and it looks much improved over 1.1 (GIMP = GNU Image Manipulation Program). Hardware & OS: Since you bought a digi-cam I actually forsee a number of upgrades in your not-so-distant future (in order of priority): 1. OS X. With OS X you get: - iPhoto. Although it's lacking IMNSHO, it still functions as a half-decent photo album and allows you to keep your photos together in one convenient location. - iMovie. Turn your photos in slide shows that you can burn to CD and send to anyone (iMovie allows that, doesn't it?... I've never done it so I'm guessing), or, take the videos you take with your digicam and turn them into crude home Video CDs or DVDs. 2. (if you don't already have one) CD- or DVD-burner. You can use a CD or DVD burner to back-up your photo collection, create slide shows with iMovie, or even burn full fledged videos (playable in most home DVD players) onto CD or DVD. CD-RW drives (fully Mac OS bootable and Mac OS burning supported) can be had for $40. It takes no skill whatsoever to replace the CD-ROM or DVD-ROM in your G4 tower with a new drive (5 minutes and one or two screwdrivers). You can also get DVD ROM/CD-RWs for cheap and DVD-RW/CD-RWs have come down in price significantly over the past year or two (beware of competing DVD media formats though for DVD burners -- they are NOT interchangeable). 3. (optional) An extra 120 GB HD. HD space is CHEAP nowadays. You can get a 120 GB drive for <$110 AFTER tax (a month ago I paid $100 for an 80 GB drive). If you're willing to scrimp a little you can get yourself a 40 GB for $70 or an 80 GB drive for $85 AFTER tax (<http://www.canadacomputers.com/storage.html#hdd>). I believe they do shipping... otherwise, you should find that prices in London are comparable. Pricing: 1. 256 MB (to bring you to 384) $40 2. CD-RW $30-40 internal ($70 USB 2) 3. Mac OS X ~$80 for CDs, $60 for DVDs (<http://search-completed.ebay.ca/mac-os-x-10-3_W0QQcatrefZC6QQcoactionZcompareQQcoentrypageZsearchQQcopagenumZ1QQfromZR10QQpriceZ1QQsacategoryZQ2d1QQsapricehiZ89QQsapriceloZ30QQsatitleZmacQ20osQ20xQ2010Q2e3QQsoitemstatusZ2QQsorecordsperpageZ50QQsorecordstoskipZ0QQsosortorderZ2QQsosortpropertyZ3>) Grand total incl. CD-RW ~$160, excl. CD-RW ~$120. CAVEAT EMPTOR: I would upgrade piece-meal (sp?). First install Mac OS X! Make sure it runs smoothly (128 MB is fine for that) and upgrades properly via the web (to 10.3.6). Ensure that "Classic" loads properly and that your favourite apps run. Then, install the RAM. Make sure it runs (you'll know very quickly if it it's incompatible with OS X). Finally (if desired), install the CD-RW. Make sure it burns _and_ boots your computer (check with XLR8YourMac's drive database; <http://forums.xlr8yourmac.com/drivedb/search.drivedb.lasso>). [One of the biggest mistake people make during upgrades is to do everything at once. _If_ something doesn't work troubleshooting becomes a lot more difficult because you made a whole lot of changes concurrently, rather than consecutively (alternately, you could pay someone else to do this but this is a project that's simple enough that most people can do themselves, and, besides, these are trouble-shooting skills that any computer user should have).] At that point you'll have a brand-spanking new system that is SOOOO stable (I can't remember the last time my OS X 10.3 crashed... probably this spring, perhaps even in the winter) and fast (especially web browsing) you'll soon forget what the three finger salute is and what waiting was. Plus, you won't have to give up any of your old softwares and you'll get a whole slew of new ones (web browsers, free software, (free) science software, etc)! And, if you ever really want to give yourself a speed boost, just replace the 400 MHz CPU in your tower with something a little zippier (e.g. $400 for 1 GHz). Eric. _________________________________________________ For information concerning the MUGLO List just click on http://muglo.on.ca/Pages/joinus.html Our Archives can be viewed at //www.freelists.org/archives/muglo Don't forget to periodically check our web site at: http://muglo.on.ca/