Just to set the record straight, there are some 600,000 (now here's a REAL rant topic) Public Service workers in Canada who require the use of French characters for their work. That, given the total user base of Apple in Canada, is not a small or trivial group. Assessing Canadian needs based on a tiny sample of users in SW Ontario is not a very wise choice. For example I use the CSA keyboard at least weekly, so your assessment that "no one here voluntarily uses it" is already wrong. Suggesting that those requiring the CSA constitutes a "tiny group", when the total membership of MUGLO is itself somewhat tiny at some 49 people, is statistically invalid. As example, even if I am the only member of this group to use CSA, using your standards for measurement, then 2% of all Canadian Apple users require CSA, and since Apple claims to have sold over 7-Million computers in Canada over the years, that would make 14,000 Apple users who need CSA And despite your "slights" no matter how irrelevant French is for you, it is an OFFICAL Language in Canada, the others are you mention not. As for the other stuff, yes, it was over the top, but I do not like it when someone speaks for me... I still do not feel alienated by Apple for their creation of the CSA keyboard. It's my view that they've handled the problem quite well. I do not find it difficult or onerous to switch back and forth when I need the French character set. You original message claimed that Apple had Alienated its customers as opposed to just you. And no, I did not mean or even suggest that Apple was working on a different "Canadian" version of CSA, but rather a new US version that would work exactly the same as the CSA but in Spanish as 3 of the most populous States, Texas, California and Florida are considering making Spanish an Official language. It means you'll have to be careful when selecting the US keyboard or you'll get the same stuff you hate with CSA, except it won't be in French. If Apple has erred on CSA, it is in the name where "CSA" is the International code for Czech Airlines and was also used for the old Czechoslovakia before the breakup into 2 countries, which probably causes confusion over there. >> Frankly, I find it appalling that a fellow Canadian, could adopt such an >> attitude as to call it "stupid" for a company to service it's customers as >> best it can. Is this really such an issue for you or as I infer from your >> rant, are you simply one of the "English Bigots" that prefer an American >> standard to a Canadian one? If so, you'll be very happy to hear that Apple >> USA is working a Latino version of CSA that would replace the US Standard >> you're using now. It'll will work the same, but at least it won't be in >> French. > > I'll ignore the slight b/c I sent one right back at you in the last e-mail > ;) > > Will this new CSA be the default if you select ENGLISH - CANADIAN as your > setting? > > (I'm going to make the assumption you were trying to say that they're > working on making an English-language CSA... how hard can it be for Apple to > do this? Rename the US layout resource as English - Canadian?... don't even > have to confuse it with CSA for that TINY group who use CSA... by the sounds > of it no one on this list voluntarily uses CSA) > > Eric. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Instant message with integrated webcam using MSN Messenger 6.0. Try it now > FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com > > > _________________________________________________ > > For information concerning the MUGLO List just click on > > http://muglo.on.ca/pages/members.html#Joinmuglo > > Don't forget to periodically check our web site at: > > http://muglo.on.ca/ > _________________________________________________ For information concerning the MUGLO List just click on http://muglo.on.ca/pages/members.html#Joinmuglo Don't forget to periodically check our web site at: http://muglo.on.ca/