Yep..I knew it would be one of them killer text function combos...that's why I said look in there...but, I'll be danged if I really understand them, Robert...I usually just waste hours using them in different combos til I get what I want And that's what I would have done for you last nite, cept I was pooped LOL Did you figure this out yourself or did someone like Ray send this to the group and I'm missing posts? Linda F. Johnson, M.A., MOS Linda's Computer Stop http://personal-computer-tutor.com Free e-Books, Newsletter, and tutorials -----Original Message----- From: mso-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:mso-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Robert Carneal Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 3:03 PM To: mso@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [mso] Re: once more COUNTIF ? If I have Mattie Lee Belle in A1, and =LEN(A1)-LEN(SUBSTITUTE(A1,"e","")) in A2, then the result is 5. If I have "1808-09-12" in A3, and =LEN(A3)-LEN(SUBSTITUTE(A1,"-","")) in A4, it shows a result of 2. This IS giving me what I want, but I am a little pleasantly surprised- I thought SUBSTITUTE replaced a character for a character? Thank you. Robert ************************************************************* You are receiving this mail because you subscribed to mso@xxxxxxxxxxxxx or MicrosoftOffice@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To send mail to the group, simply address it to mso@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To Unsubscribe from this group, send an email to mso-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" (without the quotes) in the subject line. Or, visit the group's homepage and use the dropdown menu. This will also allow you to change your email settings to digest or vacation (no mail). //www.freelists.org/webpage/mso To be able to use the files section for sharing files with the group, send a request to mso-moderators@xxxxxxxxxxxxx and you will be sent an invitation with instructions. Once you are a member of the files group, you can go here to upload/download files: http://www.smartgroups.com/vault/msofiles *************************************************************