Well seems like Senator is not a good place for a group after Goldwater Lake. That being, Copper Basin is on. WE need at least one or two other cars at Skull Cafe to assist in rides back to the top. So far I have 4 in the cab of my truck. I can stuff 3 more in. I have a cover on the bed and can supply some butt cushions for up to 8 people. Veronica and Ken are planning on doing an aid station at 4 or so miles to go. Thats 7 and 10 miles from the start of what ever run you want to do. So carry what you need till then. 13+- from Sheriff Posse and 11+- from the Copper Basin turnoff. Lets meet at Sheriff Posse and Copper Basin by 7;15 am. 13's can start after we leave. 11 milers will than drive up the road to start at about 7:30 ish or so. Breakfast after? Please let me know what your plans are. Dave