Norman, have you ever considered making your own paint? It is not a very complex thing to do. For a black, heat resistant paint, you could use the following receipt: Make an outdoor whitewash using a know receipt (if you need one:tell me) Add black pigment in the form of black iron oxide. Apply If you want an oil based paint, use some boiled linseed oil,add some manganic peroxide (about 1/10) and color with the same black iron oxide. If you can get your hands on a mixer,like the one the Domestic Authorities use, for mixing soups, you will get a very homogeneous product Patrick Norman Clasper wrote: > On 10 Oct 2007, at 07:25, FreeLists Mailing List Manager wrote: > > >> From: <clif.gwr@xxxxxxxxxxxx> >> Subject: [modeleng] Plasti-Kote Paint >> Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 21:18:13 +0100 >> >> Hi All, >> From my recent experience never use this paint. >> >> I needed a small can of Black Gloss Paint for the running boards >> of my latest 5" gauge loco but just lately such cans seem to have >> all but disappeared. >> >> The only paint that I could find in small quantities was Plasti- >> Kote which from the description on the jar seemed OK being >> described as suitable for just about everything. The only >> difference being that it needed Thinners for brush cleaning which >> seemed to indicate that it was a type of Cellulose paint. >> >> The instructions also said the it dried without brush marks. >> >> On using the stuff the first problem is that it is fast drying and >> does not give time for the brush marks to level out. >> Having given the running boards two coats it looked as though they >> had been painted with a Tar brush so I decided to sand them down >> after letting the paint dry for one week. >> On trying to sand them, the paint was so soft that it tended to >> roll rather than sand down. Having got them as smooth as I could I >> was going to wipe the surfaces over with a rag moistened with >> White Spirit to remove dust, remembering that the paint was >> thinners based. When the White Spirit touched the paint it promptly >> softened and smeared making a real mess. >> >> I then decided to remove all the paint using Paint Stripper and >> start again. >> I gave it a good coating of stripper, left it for half an hour and >> then tried to wash it off. Whilst some paint came off, it basically >> turned to a sticky mess and still stuck to the metal. >> >> I then gave it another dose of stripper, left it for two hours and >> when I tried to wash it off, it again left a sticky messy surface. >> The question therefore is what is this stuff if Thinners and White >> Spirit attack it and is semi immune to stripper. >> >> It looks like the only way that I am going to get this rotten stuff >> off it to dump the running boards into a bucket of Thinners. >> >> Having hunted all over the place for small tins of real Black >> Gloss paint, I eventually found one in a little DIY Shop called the >> Jolly Bodger so when I do get the paint off, hopefully I can do a >> decent job this time. >> >> Regards >> >> Clif >> >> >> > > Hi All > I had exactly the same problem with Plasti-Kote. Not only did it > leave a mess - when I rubbed it down and resprayed from the same can, > the new layer lifted at all the places where there was a feathered > edge - if you want to make a 'crackle finish ', this is the way to do > it!! > > I just painted on cellulose thinners which removed it in minutes. BTW > - I bought cell thinners from a place which sells paints etc for car > restoration. ( They make retail prices look very silly ). And do > remember how flammable it is. > > I now use their products (carefully avoiding the two pack isocyanate > paints) and find I get much better results, using a fairly large > airbrush. > > Regards > NormanC > > > > MODEL ENGINEERING DISCUSSION LIST. > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list, send a blank email to, > modeleng-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject > line. > > MODEL ENGINEERING DISCUSSION LIST. To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list, send a blank email to, modeleng-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject line.