Gents, I agree also when usng propane its easy to get the whole boiler too hot whereas with oxy acetylene the heat is very localised. I do use propane = to give some background heat to the boiler before using the acetylene ~~~~ about spit sizzling temperature is about right. Regards IP "Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of = arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, Champagne in one hand - strawberries in the other,=20 body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming WOO HOO - What a Ride!"=20 =20 "Never drive faster than your gaurdian angel can fly" =20 Priest & Sons Model Engineers http://www.kinvermes.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/p1.htm -----Original Message----- From: modeleng-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx = [mailto:modeleng-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Terry Lane Sent: 10 September 2005 21:10 To: modeleng@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [modeleng] Re: Steam engine RPM? Having used both for a number of boilers, I wouldn't bother with propane = for anything over (say) a Gauge 1 boiler. Too much foolin' around on a large job. With oxy/acet you can localise the heat much more effectively. = Copper ain't as easy to burn out as a lot of people think - especially if your plates are thick enough to comply with AMBSC code, the main danger is = the tube ends. > Whilst I concur with the majority of Phil's message, I will add a=20 > couple of > points. > > Propane is much easier to use than oxy acetylene, and the latter isnt=20 > easy to obtain in the UK, without complying with many rules. With=20 > propane,there is minimal risk of burning through plates etc, which one > can do with oxy. > > Easyflo, is the best general purpose silver solder and the most widely = > available over here. > > Although steel is the best material for formers, one can use hardwood. = > However, Blackgates and Reeves both offer kits with the end plates=20 > already flanged. The saving in time makes them worthwhile. > > Alan > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Phill Smith" <steam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <modeleng@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2005 5:10 AM > Subject: [modeleng] Re: Steam engine RPM? > > > Tony, > > I, personally, don't understand why you don't just make your own. They = > are really easy to make. There is nothing hard about it at all. > > All you need is the following; > > - oxy-acetylene torch (use the cutting torch as the large quantity of small > flames is the best heat source) > - Copper tube (for both barrel and end plates, flues, and Galloway=20 > tubes if > required) > - Gun metal / Phosphor bronze for bushes > - steel for endplate former > - Silver solder (2 grades) -- 245 (45% silver) for bushes and > lues/tubes: -- 115 (15% silver) for attaching your end plates. > - Sulphuric acid (battery acid) for pickle bath. I add 1L of acid to=20 > 10L water, and find this OK if I get it on my hands (no burns) > - 20L plastic bucket for pickle bath > - Flux (for the 245 silversolder) > - Hand tools > > That's about it........ Of the top of my head I can"t think of=20 > anything else..... > > > MODEL ENGINEERING DISCUSSION LIST. > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list, send a blank email to,=20 > modeleng-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" in the=20 > subject line. > MODEL ENGINEERING DISCUSSION LIST. To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list, send a blank email to,=20 modeleng-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" in the = subject line. MODEL ENGINEERING DISCUSSION LIST. To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list, send a blank email to, modeleng-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject line.