Kenny Hi, as Allen Messer mentioned the other day here is some links to shapers and their uses http://www.angelfire.com/sc3/shapeaholic/index.html http://www.neme-s.org/shapers/shaper_faq.html http://f2.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/IK-CRKOCXPb6C4AUONkVO8XlEAVt3Ci0K8XGYbYV66TRn7w4d1ipnaC7QuCGIsPAL8mkkR_eNvgC34W1wObKaeoaNBkve-0/AShaperTutorial.pdf http://f2.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/IK-CRLVA2bb6C4AU8pkwMJDBY6j5wgnw9dCgFfimyVa5MT-iTx5gxRonG93fqigWvtqjfohun77z3brZaLdw6CCNo9K_phc/SetupandCut.pdf There is also a Sam Browne book which i think was written about the period that you talk about Hope this may be of use to others I also have the Ian Bradley book and the Emanuels Stieri which give lots of info as well as the Errol Groff CD which he has produced and is very helpfull for all machining needs The Yahoo.com web sites i have found very usefull for information about lots of subjects including Shapers and planers. yours John Burridge MODEL ENGINEERING DISCUSSION LIST. To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list, send a blank email to, modeleng-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject line.