Al, Tempering to about 200 ~ 220 deg centigrade should be about right [pale yellow ~ pale staw colour]. The time / temperature rule is I hour per linear inch but for thin sections apply the rule to the thicknes ie] for = a knife blade say 0.125 thick, time at temp would be 0.125 x 60 =3D = 7.5mins. If you go for the sand bath method you must allow extra time for the = sand to come to temperature. When you have decided what method to use I'm sure the listees would like = to know the results. Regards, IP "Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of = arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, Champagne in one hand - strawberries in the other,=20 body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming WOO HOO - What a Ride!"=20 =20 Priest & Sons Model Engineers http://www.kinvermes.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/p1.htm -----Original Message----- From: modeleng-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx = [mailto:modeleng-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Allen Messer Sent: 30 April 2005 22:25 To: modeleng@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [modeleng] Re: Any knife makers on the list? At what temperature and length of time should it be baked in its bed of Sand? Al --- Pendragon <idpriest@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Al, >=20 > It is important to temper the blade in a unifom way, > one way this can be > achieved is by placing the article in a tray of sand > and then heating in =3D > the > domestic oven [it follows to do this when Erine is > out having some =3D > retail > therapy]by heating in this way temperature gradients > are avoided thus > providing an even temperature.......you could do > this whilst cooking the > Sunday roast........what is important is to control > the rate of > heating....'food' for thought perhaps. >=20 > Regards, IP >=20 > "Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the > intention of =3D > arriving > safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but > rather to skid in > sideways, Champagne in one hand - strawberries in > the other,=3D20 > body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and > screaming WOO HOO - What a > Ride!"=3D20 > =3D20 > Priest & Sons Model Engineers=20 > http://www.kinvermes.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/p1.htm >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: modeleng-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx =3D=20 > [mailto:modeleng-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] > On Behalf Of Terry Lane > Sent: 30 April 2005 22:04 > To: modeleng@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [modeleng] Re: Any knife makers on the > list? >=20 >=20 > I seriously doubt if you could get a good temper in > a kitchen oven Al. >=20 > I generally heat the tang with a torch & watch the > colours run. 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