I see that from the BBC website that Fred Dibnah has died. Whilst not a "model" engineer, he certainly was a character in the field of engineering.... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/3988667.stm Cheers Peter MODEL ENGINEERING DISCUSSION LIST. To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list, send a blank email to, modeleng-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject line.