I've always felt that Roland technology fell short of Yamaha's and even Korg's. The only thing I ever liked about Roland were some of their sounds; especially their orchestral and brass instruments. Omar Binno AIM: LOD1116 Skype: obinno1 Website: www.omarbinno.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Bryan Smart To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 12:40 PM Subject: Re: [MoAccess] Sonar, Motif XS, and midi. Yep. And the Oasys also includes a gold-plated nose hair trimmer. *smile* The Oasys has more inserts, but each of them have less power. Don't forget that the Motif inserts have two separate effects units each that can run any effect type that you want. No restrictions. The new Kurzweil, for example has 16 insert effects, but, just like old Kurzweils, you cant select any effect type on all of those 16 insert effects. If you select certain high quality effects on some of the inserts, that eats up the processing allocation units, so that the other effects cant be used, or can only be used to run low-quality versions of the effects algorithms. The Roland Fantom G actually has 16 real insert effects, so that any voice that you call up on each of its 16 MIDI channels in song mode loads exactly like you hear it in voice mode. That is really flexible, but, even so, the Roland inserts are only one effect per insert, not dual inserts like the Motif. The Roland has some combination effect types, like delay+chorus, but so does the Motif with effect types like compressor+distortion+delay in one block. Of course, when the Motif piles all of those effects in to one effects block, they're very cheap versions that either have fewer parameters or sound much worse than the dedicated effects, and the Roland effects are a little like that. Plus, only the Motif has modeled effects like the VCM compressor and Phaser. Yamaha kind of owned the effects game for a few years. They still have one of the nicest setups, but they have lots of competition now. Bryan From: moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Omar Binno Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:19 AM To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: [MoAccess] Sonar, Motif XS, and midi. I think you can hear the insertion fx on the newer korg boards, like the oasys, on 12 tracks. Omar Binno AIM: LOD1116 Skype: obinno1 Website: www.omarbinno.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Jose To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:16 AM Subject: Re: [MoAccess] Sonar, Motif XS, and midi. No, I don't lose the insertion effects. They work just fine. There is no real difference between using USB and midi to connect. The only difference is speed which can be an issue if you are driving a lot of channels or modules at the same time. Using USB versus midi is like using the highway versus local roads. The beginning and end points are still the same. While we are on the subject, tis is one of the things that makes Yamaha better than Korg. Instruments in song mode sound the same as in voice mode because they carry the effects. Well, at least 8 of them. Jose From: moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Omar Binno Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:08 AM To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: [MoAccess] Sonar, Motif XS, and midi. When you use the motif via midi through sonar, you lose the insertion fx that you have on the first 8 tracks of a project. If you use it through USB, you can get those fx and it sounds alot nicer. I'm not sure if that would fix the problem you're currently having, but just thought i'd pass that bit of info along. Omar Binno AIM: LOD1116 Skype: obinno1 Website: www.omarbinno.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Jose To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:03 AM Subject: Re: [MoAccess] Sonar, Motif XS, and midi. There's no real reason, except this is the set up I've had for a while. I only use the connection to create sequences in Sonar using the XS, and to record sequences from sonar into the XS using the record all tracks function. I only change my set up once every 5 or so years. Once I'm confortable with a set up, I don't like to change it, even if it's, potentially, for the better. For example, I still use a Layla20 sound card. It records at a lower resolution than many more modern cards, like the Layla24, and a more recent Echoaudio card called Audiofire. However, this set up works fine for me, and I don't spend have of my studio time fixing connection problems. I do have a p4 computer, not a comodor64! However, I don't have a dual or quad core computer cause, once again, mine works fine. Jose From: moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Omar Binno Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 8:43 AM To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: [MoAccess] Sonar, Motif XS, and midi. I'm just curious: why are you connecting your motif via Midi rather than USB? Omar Binno AIM: LOD1116 Skype: obinno1 Website: www.omarbinno.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Jose To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 8:23 AM Subject: [MoAccess] Sonar, Motif XS, and midi. Why doesn't my XS listen to the Sonar volume setting on midi channel 1? I have my XS connected to my computer via midi through my Layla sound card. In song mode, the volume on channel 1 is always at the highest level (127). It won't change. The volume for all of the other channels change as I adjust them in Sonar. I use Sonar 2.2. Yes, that's right, 2.2. It works fine for me. I have dealt with this in the past by simply setting the keyboard not to receive control data, and creating templates on the keyboard with the settings I want. However, I'm curious to know why this is happening. I remember it also happening with my Yamaha S80. I dealt with the problem the same way. I don't think it happens with the Karma, but I don't remember because, with the Karma, I always disabled control data without even checking if this was a problem. Thanks. Jose. For links to all Motif info for blind owners, visit www.MoAccess.info. To change your list options and view archives for the MoAccess list, visit www.freelists.org/list/moaccess.