Re: [MoAccess] Motif vs Tyros - A Practical Example
- From: D!J!X! <megamansuperior@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 11:57:26 -0400
Actually this is a quick arrangement, so here goes:
This is easily done in both keyboards, you'd record 1 track then record the
next. However, the tyros has the better features on it since it is an
arranger, meaning it's geared for you to make quick arrangements without
much hassle.
So on the tyros you can press record, press the main voice button and record
your right hand/main part. Then you press record, press the left hand
button, and the tyros will automatically switch you to the proper track for
left hand and you can play your left hand part. You can add a layer voice if
you'd like or do any of the folowing: Add a style to back you up, or add
your own tracks to the song manually 1 by 1, like drums, bass, guitars etc.
The styles are made as a quick way to get you to sound like a full band in a
quick split; you give it the chords to the song or play them in, and it will
do the switches, you can switch intros/endings, switch variations etc. This
is not the case on the motif, the arps are nothing as complex as the styles,
and because they're not meant to make you sound like a full band they don't
have that many features like styles do. You can also select which part of
the style you want to use for playing life or recording, you can say keep
bass and drums and remove the other 6 parts, or add a guitar here and mute
it there etc. Also, the tyros has the song database, which let's you quickly
set the keyboard up for a song from yamaha's database, you have OTS (one
touch setting) which let's you setup all voices per style and they can be
switched from part to part. There are also registrations on the tyros which
are somewhat similar to master mode on the motif, meaning that they switch
the keyboard and all it's settings with just the press of the button.
If you're a live musician, you have the microphone inputs and vocal harmony
stuff, and these keyboards also have the lyrics display thing to allow you
to display lyrics, though not sure how useful that really is :)
So the motif will let you focus on your instrument and play with a band,
while the tyros will (if you'd like), make you be the whole band. They both
have their strengths and weaknesses, and somewhat cross over into each
other's territories; the ideal thing in a perfect world would be to own
both! Lol.
HTH, D!J!X!
-----Original Message-----
From: moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Ben Humphreys
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2012 11:11 AM
To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [MoAccess] Motif vs Tyros - A Practical Example
Thanks Bryan, I liked your summary: "The Tyros is a great arranger with
some workstation features. The Motif is a great workstation with some
arranger features."
Unfortunately, I don't yet have a grasp for what "arranger" and
"workstation" mean specifically. However, an example might help clarify the
situation for me.
Let's say I have a 4-handed piano piece, such as "Heart and Soul."
I want to make a first pass with the left handed part, a repeating pattern.
Then a second pass with the right handed part.
I understand how I might do this with Sonar, recording the left hands part
on a track, and then looping it over and over. Then putting the right hands
part on its own track.
How might I accomplish this with Motif and/or Tyros?
Is this where arpeggios on Motif come in? Is this where styles on Tyros
come in?
Without regard to using Sonar, how would this be accomplished on a Motif
vs. Tyros?
Obviously, I'm confused about a lot of terms: workstation, arranger,
arpeggios, styles and how they might apply to various situations, and in
particular the one I have described.
I'd be grateful to anyone who can set me straight :)
Thanks
Ben
At 04:07 PM 7/1/2012, you wrote:
>There are a good many blind Tyros users out there. Most of these people
>are using the Tyros for doing one-man shows: wedings, small parties,
>etc. It is incredibly realistic at being a backing band while you play.
>The styles, harmonizer, and so forth aren't really useful if you're
>playing with a full band. Ensemble keyboard players would do better
>with a workstation, where they can split/layer voices as much as they
>want, as well as build their own from scratch. I know a few blind
>people that have the Tyros as a studio sound module, but is very
>expensive for that approach.
>
>The Tyros is a great arranger with some workstation features. The Motif
>is a great workstation with some arranger features. My personal opinion
>is that the Tyros is the superior live keyboard, and the Motif is the
>superior studio piece, but they both can do either things to some
>degree.
>
>Anyway, there isn't a blind Tyros users list, as far as I know, but
>lots of them are on MIDI-Mag. At one point, there were panel
>descriptions, menu descriptions, and so on floating around for at least
>the Tyros 3.
>
>I suggest to ask on MIDI-Mag. Go to
<http://www.midimag.org>www.midimag.org.
>
>Bryan
>
>On Jun 29, 2012, at 4:51 PM, D!J!X! wrote:
>
>>The motif is different in the layout and navigation than the tyros and
>>the top line psr. The tyros and psr are aranger keyboards, with the
>>styles and are geared more toward quick composition and perfomance
>>like that. You can use it with a sequencer with no problem, and for
>>quick recordings. Not sure what it has in terms of sampling
>>capabilities, but the motif is more of a workstation, you can make
>>more customized full songs on there, they have pattern mode for quick
>>loop based music creation, and it's more of an overall perfoming
>>workstation, with separate channels and assignable parts and such for
>>performing, the tyros and psr just have the main voice, 1 or 2 layers that
you can add, and a left hand split along with the styles.
>>The motif for example can have 4 separate keyboard zones or 4 layers
>>(probably more in the xf and xs), you can use arps with the voices
>>(short musical loops), and you can even use the pattern mode to create
>>a 16 track part or such to use in performances. It also has many more
>>effects than the tyros and more advanced routing, as it's meant for
>>the studio musician and the live gigging musician as well.
>>But if you're using the tyros in studio or for small performances, the
>>tyros should be fine, though because of it's different layout and such
>>it'll be harder to get help, since most people on this list at least
>>use the motif line. The good thing about the tyros and psr navigation
>>system is that it stays constant and once you learn it you can get
>>around most of those keyboards.
>>
>>HTH, D!J!X!
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From:
>><mailto:moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>[mailto:moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>On Behalf Of Ben Humphreys
>>Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 9:52 PM
>>To: <mailto:MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>Subject: [MoAccess] Motif vs Tyros
>>
>>Hi folks,
>>
>>I have a question relating to accessability of the Motif vs the Tyros.
>>
>>I've heard it consistently stated that Motif is one of the best
>>workstations for a blind musician, presumably because so many
>>functions are accessible from dedicated buttons and the screen
>>interface is button-based, not touch-based.
>>
>>However, when I went to purchase a Motif, I was so enamored with the
>>even more beautiful sounds of the Tyros that I ended up getting a
>>Tyros 4 instead.
>>
>>I figured the Yamaha Tyros interface was similar enough to Motif that
>>I wouldn't be at any disadvantage to a Motif user. Tyros has lots of
>>buttons I can label in Braille, and screen has 10 buttons, A through
>>J, tab keys, and 1 through 8 up / down buttons. I'm assuming Motif is
very similar.
>>
>>Of course, there is no ty-access mailing list, and certain apps, such
>>as those from John Melas, won't work with Tyros.
>>
>>But I'm using Sonar with Cake Talking, same as I would with Motif.
>>And I've found a Tyros 4 Instrument Definition File so presumably can
>>select instruments easily using Sonar.
>>
>>Which leads to my question:
>>
>>Is the Motif preferred among the blind community over the Tyros
>>primarily because the Motif is somehow more accessable? Or is it
>>perhaps that the Tyros is a bit on the expensive side?
>>
>>Is there some compelling reason I'd want to sell my Tyros and get a
>>Motif instead?
>>
>>Thanks for your help,
>>
>>Ben
>>
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