Re: [MoAccess] Motif vs Tyros - A Practical Example

  • From: Ben Humphreys <brh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2012 11:10:54 -0400

Thanks Bryan, I liked your summary: "The Tyros is a great arranger with some workstation features. The Motif is a great workstation with some arranger features."


Unfortunately, I don't yet have a grasp for what "arranger" and "workstation" mean specifically. However, an example might help clarify the situation for me.

Let's say I have a 4-handed piano piece, such as "Heart and Soul."

I want to make a first pass with the left handed part, a repeating pattern.

Then a second pass with the right handed part.

I understand how I might do this with Sonar, recording the left hands part on a track, and then looping it over and over. Then putting the right hands part on its own track.

How might I accomplish this with Motif and/or Tyros?

Is this where arpeggios on Motif come in? Is this where styles on Tyros come in?

Without regard to using Sonar, how would this be accomplished on a Motif vs. Tyros?

Obviously, I'm confused about a lot of terms: workstation, arranger, arpeggios, styles and how they might apply to various situations, and in particular the one I have described.

I'd be grateful to anyone who can set me straight :)

Thanks

Ben

At 04:07 PM 7/1/2012, you wrote:
There are a good many blind Tyros users out there. Most of these people are using the Tyros for doing one-man shows: wedings, small parties, etc. It is incredibly realistic at being a backing band while you play. The styles, harmonizer, and so forth aren't really useful if you're playing with a full band. Ensemble keyboard players would do better with a workstation, where they can split/layer voices as much as they want, as well as build their own from scratch. I know a few blind people that have the Tyros as a studio sound module, but is very expensive for that approach.

The Tyros is a great arranger with some workstation features. The Motif is a great workstation with some arranger features. My personal opinion is that the Tyros is the superior live keyboard, and the Motif is the superior studio piece, but they both can do either things to some degree.

Anyway, there isn't a blind Tyros users list, as far as I know, but lots of them are on MIDI-Mag. At one point, there were panel descriptions, menu descriptions, and so on floating around for at least the Tyros 3.

I suggest to ask on MIDI-Mag. Go to <http://www.midimag.org>www.midimag.org.

Bryan

On Jun 29, 2012, at 4:51 PM, D!J!X! wrote:

The motif is different in the layout and navigation than the tyros and the
top line psr.  The tyros and psr are aranger keyboards, with the styles and
are geared more toward quick composition and perfomance like that. You can
use it with a sequencer with no problem, and for quick recordings. Not sure
what it has in terms of sampling capabilities, but the motif is more of a
workstation, you can make more customized full songs on there, they have
pattern mode for quick loop based music creation, and it's more of an
overall perfoming workstation, with separate channels and assignable parts
and such for performing, the tyros and psr just have the main voice, 1 or 2
layers that you can add, and a left hand split along with the styles.
The motif for example can have 4 separate keyboard zones or 4 layers
(probably more in the xf and xs), you can use arps with the voices (short
musical loops), and you can even use the pattern mode to create a 16 track
part or such to use in performances. It also has many more effects than the
tyros and more advanced routing, as it's meant for the studio musician and
the live gigging musician as well.
But if you're using the tyros in studio or for small performances, the tyros
should be fine, though because of it's different layout and such it'll be
harder to get help, since most people on this list at least use the motif
line. The good thing about the tyros and psr navigation system is that it
stays constant and once you learn it you can get around most of those
keyboards.

HTH, D!J!X!

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Subject: [MoAccess] Motif vs Tyros

Hi folks,

I have a question relating to accessability of the Motif vs the Tyros.

I've heard it consistently stated that Motif is one of the best workstations
for a blind musician, presumably because so many functions are accessible
from dedicated buttons and the screen interface is button-based, not
touch-based.

However, when I went to purchase a Motif, I was so enamored with the even
more beautiful sounds of the Tyros that I ended up getting a Tyros 4
instead.

I figured the Yamaha Tyros interface was similar enough to Motif that I
wouldn't be at any disadvantage to a Motif user.  Tyros has lots of buttons
I can label in Braille, and screen has 10 buttons, A through J, tab keys,
and 1 through 8 up / down buttons.  I'm assuming Motif is very similar.

Of course, there is no ty-access mailing list, and certain apps, such as
those from John Melas, won't work with Tyros.

But I'm using Sonar with Cake Talking, same as I would with Motif.  And I've
found a Tyros 4 Instrument Definition File so presumably can select
instruments easily using Sonar.

Which leads to my question:

Is the Motif preferred among the blind community over the Tyros primarily
because the Motif is somehow more accessable?  Or is it perhaps that the
Tyros is a bit on the expensive side?

Is there some compelling reason I'd want to sell my Tyros and get a Motif
instead?

Thanks for your help,

Ben

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