Thanks Judy. Just what I needed to hear. I am convinced. Larry ________________________________ From: Judy Howle <howle @cableone.net> To: missbirdphotos@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 3:59 PM Subject: [missbirdphotos] Re: An idea for helping each other learn about post-processing It all depends on how high your expectations are and how good they look just using those apps. I don’t have a Mac so I’ve never seen Aperture or iPhoto, which I’ve heard is a very basic editor for adjusting “snapshots”. I used Canon’s DPP for 2 wks when I got a new SLR before Adobe released a new ACR version to cover the camera and I despised it. Almost everyone in the Canon Yahoo groups I belong to and other forums agree that it has an awful interface and is very slow to use. If you have as little patience as I do and shoot a lot you will pull your hair out using DPP, LOL. Even if it might do a slightly better job with noise on Canon cameras, the extra time spent is not worth it to most people. How much you are willing to invest in software? Most people who put out the $$$ for an SLR should be willing to at least buy Elements @ $79 I would think. I always do further tweaking on mine in Photoshop CS5 than what came out of Lightroom. I think the different colored backgrounds of the two apps have something to do with my tonal adjustments as the Ps desktop is medium gray and it’s dark charcoal in Lr, so I often find that I have toned down the image brightness too much when I run it through Levels and can easily bring it up then. Plus I have the Nik and Topaz plugins that could be used from Lightroom but I always do it from Photoshop and my noise reduction plugins are in Ps also. Also, there are many times that you might need to do selective adjustments, ideally on layers, to part of an image, such as dodging/burning, Levels, hue/sat or to remove any objects that detract from the image with the clone stamp tool or the Spot healing brush that can easily be done in Elements. I remove objects all the time from my nature photos such as part of a nearby bird, a beer bottle or milk jug in the water at the lake, and logs in my sunset photos at the lock and dam, branches across a bird’s body, and a large pile of killdeer poop that happened just as I snapped the picture <grin>. Judy Howle Southern Exposures http://southernexposure.zenfolio.com Digital Photography Class; Resources for Photographers http://digitalphotographyclass.net From:missbirdphotos-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:missbirdphotos-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Larry Pace Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 1:37 PM To: missbirdphotos@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [missbirdphotos] Re: An idea for helping each other learn about post-processing The concept is great and I am sure I could benefit more than most from step by step instruction on post processing. But before I invest time, money and an almost sure to come inordinate amount of emotional energy (frustration) ; I would like to pose one question. If I work very hard to get the best capture possible from the camera--exposure, focus, white balance, etc.--will it be necessary to post process using programs other than --let's say my Mac I-Photo or aperture or the Canon program? What's that you say? Lazy! Maybe. Larry