There are a lot of variables here and hard-and-fast rules might not work out real well. I live in the Jeff City area and outside of Columbia, there are very few caches. New cachers are coming on-line all the time and to retire any caches in this area right now, would be a disservice, regardless of how good they are or are not. They are still getting found. It seems like the "free-market" system of supply and demand should work out for the most part. My kids won't go for any micro's or virtuals because they aren't interested, they like the trade. So when we want to go out caching, I just pass the micro's by. If I read in the logs that the cache needs maintenance or is not very good, I'll pass that by too. I also look at the area, a mini in a pile of brush by a creek just isn't that appealing. We're are not into getting lots of finds, it's the quality of the find that counts. We vote with our feet. I've seen on a few cache pages where you can rate them by voting on them. Could that be done on all caches and when the vote gets low on them we can ask the owner to archive it? Or maybe we need to be honest on our logs and call an old, stale cache just that and suggest that it be archived. Maybe the owner will get the hint. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Griffin To: mga@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 7:45 PM Subject: [MoGeo] Re: Hello and new issues.. Will, excellent point... I guess we could kinda vote or something on the oldies and make sure that the owner is still active.