I assume the references to Jesus being Joseph's son are John 1:45 and 6:42?
Both are used by individuals as a means to identify Jesus, surely, rather
than by the gospel writer to make any kind of theological statement?
Regards,
Ann
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Subject: [methmins] Re: John's nativity and beyond
Yes Martin, poetry certainly provides a different way of using language, but
that does not imply that it can change the meaning of that which its
language is describing.
And when John's Gospel says twice that Jesus was the son of Joseph, we
cannot say that its author believed in the virgin birth, can we?
Wishes,
Raymond.
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From: Martin Williams <sweccsuper@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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Subject: [methmins] Re: John's nativity and beyond
Poetry provides a different way of using language, Raymond. I can't see
anything in what John has written that is at odds with John's (or any other)
gospel.
All good wishes,
Martin
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Subject: [methmins] Re: John's nativity and beyond
It might be a good poem, but it's not what I believe and it's not what
John's Gospel tells us. John clearly says that Jesus was the son of Joseph
(John 1.45 and 6.42). There's much in John about resurrection, but I haven't
found anything in that gospel about atonement. The emphasis is on the way
from death to life and the glorification of Jesus.
Raymond Garfoot.
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From: John Barnett <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 12:01
Subject: [methmins] Re: John's nativity and beyond
Beautiful and moving, John.
Thank you
John Barnett
On 14 December 2020 at 11:56 "W. John Young" <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Hello all
Here's a few lines I put together in reflecting on John's gospel for a Bible
study and where the nativity is expressed concisely in 1:14.
No broken waters that presage a birth,
Or of the mother's pain, and blood, no sight;
Just that the Word took flesh and lived on earth,
Fullness of truthful grace, of life and light.
Yet at the cross, water and blood are seen,
Signs of the Lamb removing human sin
And living water from the Nazarene,
Received by faith, creating life within.
W John Young December 2020.
grace and peace
John Y
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