Yes Martin, poetry certainly provides a different way of using language, but
that does not imply that it can change the meaning of that which its language
is describing.
And when John's Gospel says twice that Jesus was the son of Joseph, we cannot
say that its author believed in the virgin birth, can we?
Wishes,
Raymond.
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From: Martin Williams <sweccsuper@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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Subject: [methmins] Re: John's nativity and beyond
#yiv5163379880 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}Poetry provides a different way
of using language, Raymond. I can't see anything in what John has written that
is at odds with John's (or any other) gospel.
All good wishes,Martin
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Sent: 14 December 2020 12:32
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Subject: [methmins] Re: John's nativity and beyond It might be a good poem, but
it's not what I believe and it's not what John's Gospel tells us. John clearly
says that Jesus was the son of Joseph (John 1.45 and 6.42). There's much in
John about resurrection, but I haven't found anything in that gospel about
atonement. The emphasis is on the way from death to life and the glorification
of Jesus.
Raymond Garfoot.
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From: John Barnett <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 12:01
Subject: [methmins] Re: John's nativity and beyond
Beautiful and moving, John.Thank youJohn Barnett
On 14 December 2020 at 11:56 "W. John Young" <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Hello allHere's a few lines I put together in reflecting on John's gospel for a
Bible study and where the nativity is expressed concisely in 1:14.
No broken waters that presage a birth,Or of the mother’s pain, and blood, no
sight; Just that the Word took flesh and lived on earth,Fullness of truthful
grace, of life and light. Yet at the cross, water and blood are seen,Signs of
the Lamb removing human sinAnd living water from the Nazarene, Received by
faith, creating life within. W John Young December
2020.grace and peaceJohn Y
