I think Karen was pointing out that that [Jane and he] can't be correct. If [Jane and me] is correct then I need to dig up the explanation for it. A published tech writer is saying it's correct but I have no explanation handy. From: susan.portelance@xxxxxxxxx To: mea@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: 2012-02-16 02:51 PM Subject: [mea] Re: Wording Sent by: mea-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx The "Jane and he" might technically be more correct, but who do you know that speaks like that? Sent on the TELUS Mobility network with BlackBerry From: cheri.frazer@xxxxxxxxxx Sender: mea-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 14:29:31 -0600 To: <mea@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> ReplyTo: mea@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [mea] Re: Wording That was one of the suggestions :) I'm going to steal your 'broken MP3 file' comment. Brilliant. I may have to unpack my books for this one. Drat. We're getting new carpets and everything is put away so nicely... From: Karen McElrea <karenmcelrea@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <mea@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Date: 2012-02-16 02:25 PM Subject: [mea] Re: Wording Sent by: mea-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx I hate to sound like a broken record (or MP3 file), but your compound object argument would mean it's correct to say "Jim made coffee for Jane and he." This Jane character sounds like a troublemaker, anyway. How about not even offering her coffee; just make one for yourself and maybe she'll take the hint and leave. To: mea@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [mea] Re: Wording From: cheri.frazer@xxxxxxxxxx Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 14:03:55 -0600 No, this isn't an issue in a document, it's an on-purpose language debate. I work with enthusiasts. From: susan.portelance@xxxxxxxxx To: mea@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: 2012-02-16 01:57 PM Subject: [mea] Re: Wording Sent by: mea-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx I prefer me to myself personally. Is there any other reference to Jane? Can you say "I made coffee for both of us"? Sent on the TELUS Mobility network with BlackBerry From: cheri.frazer@xxxxxxxxxx Sender: mea-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 13:52:46 -0600 To: <mea@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> ReplyTo: mea@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [mea] Re: Wording That's today's raging debate among the word enthusiasts: I made coffee for Jane I made coffee for myself therefore I made coffee for Jane and myself OR I made coffee for [compound object of Jane and me] I'm trying to juggle a hair-on-fire deadline at the same time and I don't want to dig my reference books out of boxes... sorry to be so lazy, but this is fun :) From: Karen McElrea <karenmcelrea@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <mea@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Date: 2012-02-16 01:48 PM Subject: [mea] Re: Wording Sent by: mea-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Doesn't this call for the reflexive pronoun, since you're the object of your own action? You wouldn't say, e.g., "She bought a muffin for Craig, Jane, and her," or, removing Jane from the picture, you wouldn't say "I made coffee for me." To: mea@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [mea] Wording From: cheri.frazer@xxxxxxxxxx Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 12:16:03 -0600 Can you think of any situation in which this would be correct: "I made coffee for Jane and me" ? "PLEASE NOTE: The preceding information may be confidential or privileged. It only should be used or disseminated for the purpose of conducting business with Parker. If you are not an intended recipient, please notify the sender by replying to this message and then delete the information from your system. Thank you for your cooperation." "PLEASE NOTE: The preceding information may be confidential or privileged. It only should be used or disseminated for the purpose of conducting business with Parker. If you are not an intended recipient, please notify the sender by replying to this message and then delete the information from your system. Thank you for your cooperation." "PLEASE NOTE: The preceding information may be confidential or privileged. It only should be used or disseminated for the purpose of conducting business with Parker. If you are not an intended recipient, please notify the sender by replying to this message and then delete the information from your system. Thank you for your cooperation." "PLEASE NOTE: The preceding information may be confidential or privileged. It only should be used or disseminated for the purpose of conducting business with Parker. If you are not an intended recipient, please notify the sender by replying to this message and then delete the information from your system. Thank you for your cooperation."