Scott, As you can see the chief does feel JOINTNESS is important.. and evidently he believes (as I do) that letting an issue like this go is tantamount to implied permission. Again.. thanks for your efforts keep up the good work --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Carter, Stuart S Mr CIV USA NETCOM/9TH SC A <stuart.carter@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: From: Carter, Stuart S Mr CIV USA NETCOM/9TH SC A <stuart.carter@xxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Chief AF MARS - Please see request for AF MARS Assist to fix communications failing between MARS services: //MARS R/FURTHER TRANSCON ACTIVITIES (UNCLASSIFIED) To: "Eiermann, Allen C Civ USAF AFCA AFCA/ESLM" <allen.eiermann@xxxxxxxxx> Cc: "Hays, Lawrence G CTR USA" <lawrence.hays@xxxxxxxxxxx>, "tim zutaut" <tdz123@xxxxxxx>, aat3ok@xxxxxxxxx, AAR3EH@xxxxxxxxxxx, "Griffin, Jim E Mr CIV USA NETCOM/9TH SC A" <jim.griffin@xxxxxxxxxxx>, sextonw@xxxxxxxx Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 4:45 PM Classification: UNCLASSIFIED Caveats: NONE Happy New Year Allen, Please read the e-mail stream below. Would appreciate your help to enable our MARS team (AF/Army/N-MC MARS) to work as a team. Seems to me that what happened below can be fixed with your talking to your folks about what works and what doesn't. CC:ed all of the players so they know you and I are talking about this and so they know their requests for assistance do not fall into the circular file. :) Looking forward to talking with you soon, VWR, Stu (CAM) STUART S. CARTER Deputy Director, Current Operations (G3) NETCOM/9th Signal Command (Army) COMM - 520-538-6563 DSN - 312-879-6563 CELL - 520-220-8357 SIPR: stuart.carter@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: tim zutaut [mailto:tdz123@xxxxxxx] Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 12:58 PM To: Carter, Stuart S Mr CIV USA NETCOM/9TH SC A Cc: Hays, Lawrence G CTR USA Subject: FW: //MARS R/FURTHER TRANSCON ACTIVITIES Chief & Grant, I am passing on this message from Jim Sears AAA3MD.Jim has been concerned about the lack of interoperability with AF & Navy and passes on this example from one of his Maryland members.This should never happen Tim Zutaut/AAA3RD ________________________________ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 16:52:45 -0800 From: aat3ok@xxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: //MARS R/FURTHER TRANSCON ACTIVITIES To: tdz123@xxxxxxx Tim, Below you will see a message from AAR3FK where he had another problem with TRANSCON accepting traffic. The last one happened in December and I thought I had it fixed. This is yet another example of lack of interoperability. We are no refusing traffic in favor of a space shuttle mission that wont happen for months and all they did was take roll call and then shut down. So would you please forward the message below to Stu his thoughts? Tim, part of me agrees with the comments you made a few weeks ago when I was goint send Stu the letter about lack of Jointness but I still have hopes someone will fix this.. its totally broken. Its no wonder we were relegated to a second string job (for the inauguration) when we don't even have interoperability between the three services. If you want to talk about this call me I will be around the rest of the evening. Jim --- On Sun, 1/25/09, AAR3EH@xxxxxxxxxxx <AAR3EH@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: From: AAR3EH@xxxxxxxxxxx <AAR3EH@xxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: //MARS R/FURTHER TRANSCON ACTIVITIES To: aat3ok@xxxxxxxxx Date: Sunday, January 25, 2009, 5:23 PM Winlink 2000 has automatically forwarded this message... Message ID: CN8JPWMO5JX6 Date: 2009/01/25 22:23 From: AAR3EH To: AAA3MD Source: AAR3EH CMS Site: Washington Subject: //MARS R/FURTHER TRANSCON ACTIVITIES DE AAR3EH NR 007 R 031649Z JAN 2009 FM AAR3FK TO AAT3OK BT JIM: THIS MORNING ON THE AAA3RD/B NET I ACCEPTED AN EEI EXERCISE MESSAGE FOR AAA9F AT FT HUACHUCA. I DECIDED TO TRY THE AF TRANSCON NET AGAIN. CHECKED INTO THE NET, 14,405 KHZ AT 1611Z, AFA4BT NCS. THEY SAID IT WAS NOT A TRAFFIC NET. IT WAS THE "TRANSCON SPACE SUPPORT NET", SUPPORTING THE SHUTTLE. I REPLIED THAT I THOUGHT ALL MARS NETS WERE TRAFFIC NETS AND THEY SAID "THERE IS AN ARMY STATION INSISTING ON TRAFFIC CAN ANYONE HANDLE IT?" AFA6BR SAID HE COULD. NCS SAID I COULD PASS THE TRAFFIC BUT I WOULD HAVE TO WAIT FOR "ROLL CALL" TO FINISH. ROLL CALL CONSISTED OF GETTING RADIO CHECKS FROM STATIONS ALL OVER THE COUNTRY INCLUDING AN ANNOUNCEMENT THAT THE NEXT SHUTTLE LAUNCH WOULD BE 12 MAY. THEY CLOSED THE NET AT 1633z AFTER STATING THAT AFA6BR WOULD STICK AROUND FOR THE TRAFFIC. AFA6BR CALLED ME AND AFTER SOME TEST TRANSMISSIONS HE ROGERED FOR THE MESSAGE AT ABOUT 1635Z. HE EXPLAINED TO ME THAT THE PURPOSE OF THE NET WAS TO "SUPPORT THE SHUTTLE" (NEXT LAUNCH 12 MAY??) AND THAT THEY DID NOT NORMALLY HANDLE TRAFFIC. IT SEEMS TO ME THAT A "TRANSCON NET" WOULD BE A PERFECT PLACE TO LIST TRAFFIC FOR FT H. SINCE WE KNOW AAA9USA CHECKS INTO THE NET. I DO NOT UNDERSTAND. I CAN DROP THIS OR TRY AGAIN THE NEXT TIME I HAVE AN AZ MESSAGE (REGULAR TRANSCON NOT "SPACE SUPPORT NET"), WHICHEVER YOU PREFER. 73 SCOTT BT NNNN OP NOTE: MSG RETRIEVED FROM AT3TMD ________________________________ Hotmail® goes where you go. On a PC, on the Web, on your phone. See how. <http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/learnmore/versatility.aspx#mobile?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_WL_HM_versatility_121208> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED Caveats: NONE