Hi all, I just shut down my mac again, and it did the thing where it waited, and waited, and eventually shut down, and when this happens, it seems that in that particular session, voice over doesn't gain focus when I boot up, so I wonder if this combo updater, or repair permissions would help me, but I am afraid to run it if there's something advanced that I don't know about. I tried running software update, and it said that there were no updates for my machine, so I might need some help, because this shut down thing worries me, and when it happens, I hear what sounds like either paper noises, or something with a display in the mac mini, and this seems to happen every other session when I run the machine, and that is all I know about this. Marty > > Click on the link below to go to our homepage. > http://www.icanworkthisthing.com > > Manage your subscription by using the web interface on the link below. > //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover > > Users can subscribe to this list by sending email to > macvoiceover-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the Web > interface at //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover >