it is built in. On Nov 6, 2009, at 11:38 PM, dennis wrote: do they update the screen reader? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Hofstader" <cdh@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 6:33 AM Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: macs vs pcs > Hi, > > Also, coming from the world of extreme geekdom, research and trying to use a > crystal ball to design future user interfaces, Apple on computers, > entertainment products (iPod, Apple TV) and telecommunications (iPhone), is > the only company I know of that is actively applying universal design > principals to an entire product line. If you start with VoiceOver on a Mac > and later get an iPhone or iPod, you will find the interface designed for > people with vision impairment to be fairly consistent with the differences > being apropos to the device being used. > > With its iPhone 3G s and Macintosh Snow Leopard releases, Apple has raised > the bar in UI for our population by adding a second dimension which makes > navigating much more efficient when you get used to it. > > Apple hardware are also things of beauty. They are much more well > constructed and use much better components than all but Sony and Toshiba > whose very expensive (much more than most Macs) hardware is similar but you > still need to spend an extra grand for JAWS. > > At my presentation at ACB Mid-Atlantic convention this past Saturday, I > included the funny (to a geek at least) line, "I paid the same for VoiceOver > as I would have for JAWS and, for an extra hundred bucks, Apple through in a > MacBook Pro!" In reality, VO is at least as good as either JAWS or > Window-Eyes in most areas and it's rapidly improving. JAWS remains the > leader among obscure, niche and proprietary corporate applications. JAWS > also does the best with really rich Web 2.0 applications like googledocs so, > if these are important to you, you will probably be better off waiting to > jump on the Apple bandwagon; if, however, you are like the 95% of the > population that uses relatively standard programs, the Mac is more reliable > (I once kept a MacBook 13 turned on without a reboot for over 45 days - most > Windows screen readers would be happy with a day or two at the most). > > I hope this little rant holds some value for its readers, I've still had > less than a few sips of coffee and I've a cold and have a bit of Alka > Seltzer Plus head too. > > Happy Hacking, > cdh > > > On Nov 6, 2009, at 12:18 AM, Ignasi Cambra wrote: > >> And this is priceless. Even if you don't get a mac, learn how to use VO. >> There are public mac workstations in many many libraries and other places. >> It really was a new experience to me the firs time that I stopped by one of >> those, turned VO on and checked my email just like anyone else. >> On Nov 5, 2009, at 9:34 PM, carlene knight wrote: >> >>> You also have speech on virtually any mac, no thumb drives or dongles are >>> needed. On Nov 4, 2009, at 4:19 PM, Marty Rimpau wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Dennis, you have no ad ware, or spywareto worry about on the mac, and >>>> though macs are largely restricted to apple hardware, they are built >>>> better, and also, no viruses to worry about either, just some of the >>>> reasons for a mac over a pc. >>>> >>>> On Nov 4, 2009, at 11:37 AM, dennis wrote: >>>> >>>>> could someone who switched to a mac from a pc tell me what is better >>>>> about a mac? what am i lookin at price wise? your thoughts ar >>>>> appreciated. >>>>>> >>>>>> Click on the link below to go to our homepage. >>>>>> http://www.icanworkthisthing.com >>>>>> >>>>>> Manage your subscription by using the web interface on the link below. >>>>>> //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover >>>>>> >>>>>> Users can subscribe to this list by sending email to >>>>>> macvoiceover-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>> with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the Web >>>>>> interface at //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover >>>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Click on the link below to go to our homepage. >>>>> http://www.icanworkthisthing.com >>>>> >>>>> Manage your subscription by using the web interface on the link below. >>>>> //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover >>>>> >>>>> Users can subscribe to this list by sending email to >>>>> macvoiceover-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>> with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the Webinterface >>>>> at //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover >>>>> >>> >>>> >>>> Click on the link below to go to our homepage. >>>> http://www.icanworkthisthing.com >>>> >>>> Manage your subscription by using the web interface on the link below. >>>> //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover >>>> >>>> Users can subscribe to this list by sending email to >>>> macvoiceover-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>> with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the Webinterface >>>> at //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover >>>> >> >>> >>> Click on the link below to go to our homepage. >>> http://www.icanworkthisthing.com >>> >>> Manage your subscription by using the web interface on the link below. >>> //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover >>> >>> Users can subscribe to this list by sending email to >>> macvoiceover-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the Webinterface >>> at //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover >>> > >> >> Click on the link below to go to our homepage. >> http://www.icanworkthisthing.com >> >> Manage your subscription by using the web interface on the link below. >> //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover >> >> Users can subscribe to this list by sending email to >> macvoiceover-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the Web interface >> at //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover > > Click on the link below to go to our homepage. > http://www.icanworkthisthing.com > > Manage your subscription by using the web interface on the link below. > //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover > > Users can subscribe to this list by sending email to > macvoiceover-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the Web interface at > //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover > > > Click on the link below to go to our homepage. > http://www.icanworkthisthing.com > > Manage your subscription by using the web interface on the link below. > //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover > > Users can subscribe to this list by sending email to > macvoiceover-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the Web > interface at //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover >