[macvoiceover] Re: Tables and word processing
- From: Jude DaShiell <jdashiel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 04:23:02 -0500 (EST)
You have an internal solution, org-mode in emacs. I make tables with it
regularly and org-mode is part of any up-to-date emacs version for
apple. The nice part about making tables for org-mode which do export
to html is that it can be done with any text editor. In org-mode once
you have the necessary settings in your .emacs file, a file containing a
table has a (|) character as the first character on the first line. You
follow that with a space and then your first column heading. That's
followed by a space another (|) and another space and your next column
heading. The last column after the heading you end with space and (|).
The next line only has (|-) on it and org-mode knows to put a line under
all of your column headings. To start the table so you can populate it,
get on the end of line 1 with c-e and hit tab once and you're in your
first column on line 3. You populate from there and hit tab to move to
the next column and when you run out of columns, a tab key puts you in
the next row in your first column. While you're doing all of this,
org-mode is doing two other things for you. First it fills in the (|)
characters in the right spaces. Second, it expands column widths to
accommodate what you populate those columns with and I think with
another command can be told to remove unnecessary space.
That's probably one of the reasons why Apple doesn't necessarily view
this issue as high priority. The website that supports org-mode is
http://www.org-mode.org/ and it does lots more than tables too.
On Tue, 15 Nov 2011, Daniela Rubio wrote:
> Don't you think that Apple doesn't feel pushed to work around that issue of
> tables because many people virtual ice Windows to solve this? I don't think
> it would be so difficult to make this accessible. I think that if the Voice
> Over community makes pressure on the topic may be they will star working
> more seriously on it. If no one complains because we have an external
> solution, they don't feel it is so important. But More than one would be
> delighted if he or she doesn't need to go back to Windows to make a table or
> spreadsheet.
> Take care!
>
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> El 14/11/2011, a las 19:53, Jeff Kisecker escribi?:
>
> > I am not aware of any work arounds for the table issue in Pages nor any
> > other word processing program for the mac. I have had to resort to using MS
> > word on an older windows machine to accomplish the table tasks. Very sad.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ian Edwards
> > Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 11:40 AM
> > To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [macvoiceover] Tables and word processing
> >
> > Ok, I've caught references to the inaccessibility of tables in the various
> > word processing options with Mac+VoiceOver. Usually it's something like, "of
> > course there's the issue with tables in Pages."
> >
> > So, is there a way to access tables in a word processor using VoiceOver? I
> > can't recall reading this in any of the documentation I read before making
> > the switch. I read press releases touting the full accessibility of Pages on
> > more than one Mac accessibility site, but no mention was made of issues with
> > tables.
> > Is there a place to go to find out what's missing from reported full
> > accessibility, and is it known if there will soon be a fix or work around?
> >
> > Not wanting to be a complainer here, I'm more thinking of the scene in
> > Apollo 13 where the mission commander says, "ok people, let's work the
> > problem."
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Ian
> >
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