[macvoiceover] Re: Strange VO behavior in menus with items having sub-menus

  • From: "Ron J." <ganahee@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 10:02:31 -0500


I already did that, several days ago. Actually, both "ignore", and "moves", under navigation in VO Utility, cure the problem, if indeed it is a problem. I'll probably write to accessibility@xxxxxxxxx, sometime this weekend, to inquire about this issue. Perhaps they'll know whether this is really a bug, or by design.

Take care!


On Sep 5, 2009, at 6:27 AM, David Poehlman wrote:

you can fix this *bug* by setting the mouse cursor to ignore in the navigation of vo utility.

On Sep 5, 2009, at 1:10 AM, Ron J. wrote:


Generally, when you upgrade Oses, or applications, your settings are retained. The only time this might not be the case is if, for instance, the developer changes the format of the preferences files, etc, in which case, it might be necessary to redo your settings.

As to using VO-Up/Down, Left/Right, I've always used them - guess just figured that VO was meant to be used that way, but, obviously, one doesn't have to use it that way - up/down, left/right, tab, etc, work just fine. Me, never having been a Windows user, just have never used my computer in that way. On occasion I do, but it's rare.

Suffice to say, even the Product Specialist I spoke to at Apple, believes this getting stuck in menu items which have sub-menus, if you use VO plus arrow keys, is a bug, and I'm sure, as responsive as Apple has been to our needs, it, as well as others we notice, will be squashed in due time. Hey, the exterminators at Apple need something to do, right? LOL <grin!>

Take care!

Ron J.

On Aug 30, 2009, at 9:39 AM, Marty Rimpau wrote:

Hi, this question is for ron j, and that is, when you did the upgrade, were your settings retained? I never have used vo up and down, right and left to go through menus, but I wonder if they want you to do that with snow leopard, but I may be missing the mark.
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From: annelie robledo
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 00:01:31 -0500

Hello I am also having the same problem can't access any of my menu items once I go into a submenu. Hope someone can help. On Aug 29, 2009, at 11:16 PM, Ron J. wrote:

Hi everyone,

Got the new kitty installed on Friday, late in the afternoon. All seemed to go well, but I've encountered a strange problem when I access menus using VO.

I opted for doing the upgrade, rather than the clean install, figuring everything should function normally. Prior to upgrading, I did do a permissions repair, and my most up-to-date version of Leopard was 10.5.8.

When I'm in the Apple menu, for example, I can use VO-Up/Down to arrow through the menu and all is well. When I reach "Dock", which has a sub-menu, VO says, "Dock Dock, sub-menu, 6 items". Continuing to use VO-Up/Down simply gets me "Dock Dock, sub-menu, 6 items". It appears that I'm stuck on that menu item. Now, if I simply use the arrow keys, without the VO keys, I can actually navigate the sub- menu of the Dock menu item under the Apple menu. If I Left-arrow, I hear nothing but if I VO-arrow up or down, it appears that I'm back at the top of the menu. If I bring up the Apple menu, using VO, then simply use the arrow keys, all things seem to work fine.

This behavior seems to be present in all menus - application, contextual, etc, where there are menu items which have sub-menus. It appears that I even seem to have this problem with the popup menus in the VO utility, and I'm sure it happens in other places.

Did a clean install of SL on a small drive I have, and all things seem to function normally - this only seems to happen on my MacBook, and also on my friend's Mac Mini - we both use our computers completely differently but we must have something in common which is causing the issues I've described.

Anyone have any thoughts, ideas, suggestions, etc? Any help will be greatly appreciated!

If necessary, please feel free to contact me, off-list.

Take care,

Ron J.

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