Hi DavidWhile I don't run Windows anymore--I'm windows free, thank goodness!-- the security advantages to running it a VM are definitely there. Here's the best example I can think of: a virus or trojan gets in past whatever Virus protection, firewalls, or whatever applies to the situation. Now, this virus goes after your hard drive, in particular the partition table to zero out the drive. In bootcamp, this would also blow away your Mac OS X partitions, as windows has direct access to the drive itself. This would, for most people, necessitate a reinstall of the system--though there are ways to recover partition tables. By contrast, in a VM, be it Fusion or Parallels, since the disk is virtual and that is all windows has access to on a device level, your VM disk would become corrupted and that's it. Your Mac partition would remain unaffected. Also, one other advantage to VM's is a quick restore of a running system. Get the system how you want it, and make a backup of it. When windows starts to go nuts, as it often does after a while, restore your backup. Quick and clean, without having to reinstall everything again. Being someone who has run many different operating systems and a lot of unusual boot configurations, these are some of the advantages to using a virtual machine as I've found them.
hth On Apr 20, 2008, at 8:32 AM, David Poehlman wrote:
what is not to understand is that you can lock down windows.I've been running various computers with windows for over 15 years and never had a meltdown like this. If this is as serious as you suggest and I am not saying it's not, it's being well unpublicized. The language is over myhead. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lewis Brock" <lewisjbrock@xxxxxxx> To: <macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 11:21 AMSubject: [macvoiceover] Re: Serious answers on how to get Windows on a macmini already running leopard? what is not to understand david? the simplicity is this because of the way in which windows as an operating system is structured, coded and packaged, it is open to attacks, code violations and more. have you ever been the victim of a malicious windows system hack that has done fatal damage forcing a disk replacement, even worse a total computer replacement? a hacker can target the zero sector of the drive when windows is breached, perform a series of attacks and string instructions which cannot be stopped. then thats it. furthermore a hacker can directly access in most cases the mainboard itself and change controls. even lock you out completely. turn off heatsync etc. dangerous stuff. so it is not something I could ever recommend having bootcamp to run windows all the time. even though the hardware logic board is different to a windows machine it can still be attacked by malicious hackers. this can be researched through computer forensics studies lew running this system however in VM ware is safer as I say. the operating system in question creates a virtual partition which can be destroyed if infected etc and it will not harm the system due to the architecture of VM Ware Fusion. all hardware including the logic board is emulated but at the same time utilised directly. so its safer in VM Ware. simple as I won't present my personal views on windows on a mac as it will spark off another discussion lol lew On 20 Apr 2008, at 16:13, David Poehlman wrote:Dunnno, I've seen lots of people declairing issues with fusion. It seems less streightforward to setup and use than bootcamp and the biggest issues I've seen with bootcamp are those of not following the instructions properly. I don't understand your answer about security below. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lewis Brock" <lewisjbrock@xxxxxxx> To: <macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 11:09 AM Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: Serious answers on how to get Windows on a mac mini already running leopard? think about this logically. you install windows directly to boot camp as a direct partition to the hard drive. this then directly relies on all hardware ports. therefore if you were to be hacked etc the system can be compromised. doing this in VMWARE does not have this risk asall hardware is protected and emulative. having had experience with VMWare products etc you notice a difference straight away. lew On 20 Apr 2008, at 16:05, David Poehlman wrote:how is fusion more secure than bootcamp? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lewis Brock" <lewisjbrock@xxxxxxx> To: <macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 9:11 AM Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: Serious answers on how to get Windows on a mac mini already running leopard? I would highly recommend that you use a product called VMWare fusion which is a mac application to allow windows and other operating systems to run as virtual machines. it is easy to deal with and is more secure than mounting on a bootcamp volume. it is safer and should anything go wrong with the volume, simply rebuild it. doing things through bootcamp is something I advise against as you could accidently destroy the main macintosh volume declaring you mac useless. so then using the restore media that came with your mac. there are tutorials to be found on main menu at ACB radio. lew On 20 Apr 2008, at 14:04, vashaun jones wrote:Read the manual! Just joking...are you wanting to use Bootcamp or run it virtually? On Apr 20, 2008, at 8:57 AM, David Truong wrote:HI Guys, I really want to learn how to install windows xp pro sp2 onto my Mac Miniwhich has Leopard already installed on it. My mac mini is an Intelbasedmodel. If you can give me some serious answers or any proper linksto information where one can read up on how to achieve this, that would be much appreciated. However, if you intend to reply with sarcastic and unhelpfulmessages like read the manual etc, don't bother replying as I won'tbebothered wasting my time reading them. Thanks in advance to thoseof you who are truly interested in helping. David Truong EMail and Messenger: davidtruong@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Skype: blindboxer1967 -----Original Message----- From: macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of vashaun jones Sent: Sunday, 20 April 2008 10:06 PM To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxxSubject: [macvoiceover] Re: Wakoopa, nice way to share our softwareThis is great but because top secret software is always being tested on my end I don't think I could join. When I buy another Mac I'll get on board because all I do is test software, so I would have allot to contribute. Great find! On Apr 20, 2008, at 3:30 AM, Orin wrote:Hi all, If you guys are looking for nice fun community to brag about what your friends use on a daily bases, what they've started using, what they're most used software is, etc. Check out Wakoopa, a totally accessible socal software network at http://www.wakoopa.com. I havecreated a blind mac users team called "Mac Voiceover." Teams are away for a group to get together, us, as Mac users, for example, andwe have a feed on people started using, and at the top of the pagewe have the most used/hot applications. Best of all there are widgets now that you can post on your blog or what have you so everyone can see what you are doing at the present moment on the Mac. After signing up, you will be required to download a small application which tracks what you are doing. If, for example, you are in a beta program, don't forget to shut this down before opening it, as you will share it with the world (I don't know if there is any way to control what you share). Otherwise, after you enter your username and password, simply start doing daily things and you'll see a programs list start to build up in your profile. After you sign up and get the tracker set up, be sure to join the Mac Voiceover team by going to http://www.wakoopa.com/teams/ macvoiceover and join it so we get more software than mine. Thanks, and hope to see some new members and comments on the messages part of the page. Orin orin.angi@xxxxxxxxx MSN: joshuatubbs1@xxxxxxx Skype: orin1112 Do you like mudding? To discuss related topics, go here.http://www.tbmic.jiglu.comDo you like audio books? Would you like to hear them with enritching sound, music and acting? Stop reading books from the NLS, and go tohttp://www.graphicaudio.net, you'll be glad you did. 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