[macvoiceover] My appologese was: RE: Re: Thanks all, got it working was: Really need help with VMWare Fusion and Windows on a Mac Mini.

  • From: "David Truong" <bnfiles@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 23:51:17 +1000

HI Lew and All,

Thank you.  I wanted to draw it to a close as well.  I didn't mean to offend
anyone. I was just saying how happy I was to have Windows working on my mac
Mini.  I admit to being bated into an argument and for that I am sorry.  I'm
also grateful to all of you for your insight regarding the different
concepts between mac and windows etc.  They have been helpful.  Although I
don't plan to really get into the Macos yet as I don't need it, I won't give
up on it that's for sure, I mean it is hosting my windows virtual machine.
The fact that I have a vm working is a plus for the Mac as I could never get
one to work on my windows machine so that's a great start smile.  As I
believe I've said throughout this thread, I think the Mac is  great or else
I wouldn't have bothered looking into it.  I won't be telling anyone not to
get a mac but if they ask for my experiences, well... Oh and to the bloke
who ask me if I want to sell my Mac mini, not a chance smile.  Again sorry
if I offended anyone and have a good day.

David Truong

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-----Original Message-----
From: macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Lewis Brock
Sent: Tuesday, 22 April 2008 10:51 PM
To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: Thanks all, got it working was: Really need help
with VMWare Fusion and Windows on a Mac Mini.

ok let us now draw this to a close. this is now becoming an argument  
between members that does not need to occur further. it is up to the  
end user as to whether he or she joins the mac crowd and starts  
getting into the nuts and bolts or sticking to windows and putting up  
with rediculous second rate software and issues that will never stop.  
etc. oops even I just stepped in again lol

sorry not my objective here just to even out the  surface lol.

at the end of the day my advice is this. before  turning one's nose  
down and leaving the mac os x system, I really would recommend you  
spend time focusing on OS X and learning what it can do for you that  
windows cannot do.  being blinkered about 1 operating system and  
ignoring others demonstrates a 1 way view that does not give you  
experience at all. life is full of experiences and you learn from each  
one.

take it from me who has had experiences with several operating  
systems, screen reader technologies etc as well as developer  things,  
you have an open mind and become capable of problem solving and can  
find a solution to a person's needs.

give the mac more time and leopard a little more time with voiceover   
and a bit of research   and talk to us on list. ask us for our advice.  
there are a good many of us who are experienced mac users and techies.  
people such as slau, david poelhman  and my good friend  Shane jackson  
and myself. as well as others who I dont remember or know much of lol  
oops. we are all a good team who handle different issues and support  
each other  with different sectors of the mac. I deal in hardware  
repairs, professional studio work with the mac, software development  
for music hardware as well as helping out on this little home to give  
advice and confidence.

so have some patience dave. ask us what you want to and we will be  
there to support you.

dont give up just because windows has been your OS for a long while.

lew


On 22 Apr 2008, at 13:36, David Truong wrote:

> HI Dave,
>
> I don't need to finish studying the mac to know that it isn't for me.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of David Poehlman
> Sent: Tuesday, 22 April 2008 10:18 PM
> To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: Thanks all, got it working was: Really  
> need help
> with VMWare Fusion and Windows on a Mac Mini.
>
> David,
>
> You said yourself you have limitted experience with osx.  You cannot  
> say
> then having not finished your *training* that windows is easier even  
> for you
>
> because you have not given it a proper chance.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Truong" <bnfiles@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 8:09 AM
> Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: Thanks all, got it working was: Really  
> need help
>
> with VMWare Fusion and Windows on a Mac Mini.
>
>
> Hi Mate,
>
> Fair enough and I'm truly sorry for looking on the Mac that way.   
> But if
> what you say is true, and there isn't any reason I can think of why it
> wouldn't be then no doubt I'll be converted sooner than later smile.
>
> I know what you mean about reliability and hence why I'm trying this  
> mac
> mini.  But I just love the windows interface reliable or not.  It is  
> so easy
> to use and even better so easy to teach non-computing people.  Put the
> reliable factor into it by putting it on reliable hardware and  
> that'll do
> me.  I don't really buy into that other stuff you talk about.  Don't  
> get me
> wrong, I am not disagreeing with you, just telling you how it is for  
> me and
> if that makes me an outcast then so be it smile.  But I trust the Mac
> community aren't like the Unix community who tend to shun those who  
> have a
> different point of view or outlook to them smile.
>
> David Truong
>
> EMail and Messenger:
> davidtruong@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Skype:  blindboxer1967
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Lewis Brock
> Sent: Tuesday, 22 April 2008 9:40 PM
> To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: Thanks all, got it working was: Really  
> need help
> with VMWare Fusion and Windows on a Mac Mini.
>
> its a bit of a shame to look on the mac in that way.
>
> when you invest in  apple hardware, you get security, stability, raw
> power, an operating system that delivers much more than any other OSon
> the market could ever  do, the best technical support, a cover plan
> you can rely on and so much more. using a macintosh really changes the
> way that people think of computing. none of the stress of windows
> hell, stupid driver issues etc. just a pure solid structure. not just
> that but bloomin good design. you take on a mac for its raw potential.
> not to just float windows on it and not even bother using the OS X
> system.
>
> really spend time to think of what you are going to do with the mac,
> find solutions rather than sitting on your hands doing nothing. the
> mac is a new way of life and not a windows case decorated by an apple
> badge.
>
>
>
> lew
>
>
> On 22 Apr 2008, at 12:33, David Poehlman wrote:
>
>> well, you are missing huge advantages but that is your choice.  I
>> didn't
>> migrate to mac os due to an ego.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "David Truong" <bnfiles@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 6:26 AM
>> Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: Thanks all, got it working was: Really
>> need help
>> with VMWare Fusion and Windows on a Mac Mini.
>>
>>
>> HI Mate,
>>
>> Fair enough too.  If you love the Mac then that's great.  My reason
>> for
>> using the Mac is simple.  I've heard and believe that the Mac
>> operating
>> system and its associated hardware is very reliable.  That is the
>> Windows
>> weak point no doubt about that.  I don't believe any of the other bS
>> being
>> said about windows as it has been great to me except for its
>> unreliability.
>> So I figured get my favourite operating system interface wise along
>> with all
>> of my favourite programs and put it on a reliable platform as well
>> as on a
>> really small pc = Mac Mini.  NO point relearning new programs just
>> to boosts
>> ones ego.  I use computers for what it can do for me and I don't see
>> the Mac
>> offering me anything else more apart from reliability.
>>
>> David Truong
>>
>> EMail and Messenger:
>> davidtruong@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>
>> Skype:  blindboxer1967
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Keith Reedy
>> Sent: Tuesday, 22 April 2008 3:27 PM
>> To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: Thanks all, got it working was: Really
>> need help
>> with VMWare Fusion and Windows on a Mac Mini.
>>
>> Hi Sara,
>>
>> I am sure that some folks need to run Windows for one reason or
>> another.  Maybe they have expensive programs that they use for work  
>> or
>> something like that.  However, as for me, I run a MAC because of its
>> ease of use, it does everything I need in my office and because, it
>> just works.  Up until 3 years ago I had been a windows user.  I had
>> used JFW and Window-eyes and before that DOS, but I had never found
>> anything that has maid me more productive than the MAC.  The  
>> Voiceover
>> screen reader is very nice, very quick, responsive and a pleasure to
>> use, but the real pluss for me is the MAC platform.  Keyboard  
>> commands
>> for the most part are the same from program to program, it does not
>> have the history of crashing as with other platforms, the updates are
>> really helpful and I can't think of anything that I did with windows
>> that I can not do easier and faster with the MAC.  In short, it just
>> works.
>>
>> The screenreader on the MAC is not loaded on just a few thousand  
>> MACS,
>> but, millions of MACS.  I can walk in to a growing number of public
>> places, press command-f5 on a MAC and go to work.
>>
>> The thing I try to make important to wood-be MAC users is in order to
>> use the MAC affectively, is to remember that the MAC platform  is a
>> different platform, a simpler platform a more user friendly platform.
>>
>> To those of you who are using Windows on the MAC, please take the  
>> time
>> to learn the MAC.  Your life will change for the better and you will
>> be glad that it did.
>>
>> Keith Reedy
>>
>>
>> On Apr 21, 2008, at 11:51 PM, Sara wrote:
>>
>>> I've been following this discussion and am glad you got it working.
>>> I don't know how to do that so I couldn't offer advice but it's
>>> interesting to me that people run Windows on a Mac. I never thought
>>> about the machine being nice and small and the hardware being really
>>> good and that was why people wanted to put Windows on it. I had
>>> always assumed people bought Macs to escape from Windows but I guess
>>> that is not always true.
>>> I don't really understand this virtual stuff. Is Windows really
>>> there? smile
>>> Just kidding, I guess it is there, but being run by another program
>>> or something?
>>> Please keep the interesting topics coming!
>>> Sara
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Truong"
> <bnfiles@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>
>>>>
>>> To: <macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 10:22 PM
>>> Subject: [macvoiceover] Thanks all, got it working was: Really need
>>> help with VMWare Fusion and Windows on a Mac Mini.
>>>
>>>
>>>> HI Cheryl,
>>>>
>>>> Well, after reading your message and taking a lot of your advice, I
>>>> have the
>>>> VMWare playing ball and now have windows on my Mac Mini.  Thank
>>>> Christ is
>>>> all I can say.  I really appreciated those suggestions you gave me
>>>> to check
>>>> on especially regarding how long the installation of windows can
>>>> take.  It
>>>> took an hour and a bit for mine.  Also, I did as you suggested, as
>>>> soon as I
>>>> was sure Windows had installed, I did the command+g and then typed
>>>> in my
>>>> password.  However, I sort've did it in blind faith as I wasn't
>>>> given any
>>>> feedback whether I was on the right field or not but never mind it
>>>> worked.
>>>> I knew though that you had succeeded so I thought it should be
>>>> right and it
>>>> was.  I managed to get narrator going and Now it's working great.
>>>> I have my
>>>> screen reader on there and have windows configured to how I like
>>>> it.  Just
>>>> about to install some programs on it.  You know I am so happy now
>>>> that I can
>>>> use windows on such a small machine and I know the apple hardware
>>>> is great
>>>> even if the os isn't my cup of tea.  So thanks to you and all of
>>>> you who
>>>> helped in getting me the best of both worlds smile.
>>>>
>>>> David Truong
>>>>
>>>> EMail and Messenger:
>>>> davidtruong@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>
>>>> Skype:  blindboxer1967
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> [mailto:macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Cheryl
>>>> Homiak
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, 22 April 2008 10:31 AM
>>>> To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: Really need help with VMWare Fusion and
>>>> Windows
>>>> on a Mac Mini.
>>>>
>>>> Ok, here are things to check.
>>>>
>>>> First of all, my installation has been known to take longer than
>>>> half an
>>>> hour; I'd leave it for an hour to be safe.
>>>>
>>>> Second, you don't say whether you logged in with your password
>>>> before trying
>>>>
>>>> to install vmware tools. What I do is leave the cd in when I think
>>>> it's done
>>>>
>>>> and do cmd-g to direct input inside the virtual machine and type my
>>>> password
>>>>
>>>> and hit enter. If it's installed and your sound is working, you
>>>> should hear
>>>> the xp startup music. then I go into the menus and do "install
>>>> vmware tools"
>>>>
>>>> or "up[date vmware tools" whichever it says. You'll get a dialog to
>>>> confirm
>>>> you want to do that and later if you go back that same menu item
>>>> says
>>>> "cancel vmware tols installation" but it never changes. Just leave
>>>> it for a
>>>> few minutes and then restart with cmd-u r (cmd is the windows key).
>>>>
>>>> Third, before trying to get narrator up or even before trying to
>>>> type your
>>>> password and start, did you use vokeys and check whether sound is
>>>> connected
>>>> and whether whatever speakers you are using are connected?
>>>>
>>>> Sorry, I'm not getting this in order, but I thought the virtual
>>>> machine
>>>> could only do 20GB; your post says you are changing it to 100gb.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Also, how much memory do you have; do you have a gb of memory to
>>>> give and
>>>> still have enough for macosx.
>>>>
>>>> Those are the things I can think of offhand. Also, Narrator has  
>>>> this
>>>> annoying dialog the first time it starts up so if you have a
>>>> talking install
>>>>
>>>> cd for jaws or windoweyes I'd just put that in, but I'd do that
>>>> after
>>>> starting so you know you can hear the startup music and your sound
>>>> is
>>>> working, and I'd do it after the vmware tools install and restart,
>>>> when you
>>>> should again hear the startup music but remember you'll have to
>>>> give it a
>>>> minute or two for the restart and then enter your password if you
>>>> have one;
>>>> it won't start up without your password.
>>>>
>>>> If you don't think you've installed correctly, I'd just remove the
>>>> whole
>>>> Virtual Machines directory from you Documents directory if you
>>>> don't have
>>>> any other virtual machines there and start over.
>>>>
>>>> It really does work well once you get it going; I had a little
>>>> trouble the
>>>> first time but I reinstalled recently and it went much more
>>>> smoothly.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>>
>>>> Cheryl
>>>>
>>>> "Where your treasure is,
>>>> there will your heart be also."
>>>>
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