[macvoiceover] Re: Mountain lion voiceover speculation
- From: Richard Ring <Richard.Ring@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 16:52:26 -0600
I'm replying to my own message because I am now downloading the combo updater
on the Mac we have here at work. I'll do the same and see if any of the
problems I've been experiencing improve.
-----Original Message-----
From: macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Richard Ring
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 3:24 PM
To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: Mountain lion voiceover speculation
Please excuse my ignorance, but what is the combo updater? And, is this
software something I can use to, let's say, reinstall Lion? I not only get
many Busy's with Safari but with Finder as well. Any assistance here would be
greatly appreciated.
-----Original Message-----
From: macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Russell Solowoniuk
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 9:07 PM
To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: Mountain lion voiceover speculation
Hi Keith,
I was surfing the net today, and, on one of the financial pages I visit I
encountered quite a few "busys"... shouldn't have boasted about not getting
many! LOL I'm wondering if it is due to the 10.7.3 update, which I installed
through software updates... I installed it before reading all the messages
about using the combo updater. Do you think it's worth downloading and
installing the combo updater over my current update?
Thanks,
Russell
On 2012-02-17, at 9:47 PM, Keith Reedy wrote:
> Russell and all,
>
> I did re install Lion as well and I have almost no busys.
>
> Another thing to remember, at least it has been a help to me and that is when
> you do an update to remember to use the combo updater.
> On Feb 17, 2012, at 11:02 PM, Russell Solowoniuk wrote:
>
>> Hi Ricardo,
>>
>> I was so frustrated by the Safari busy problem I was seriously considering
>> ditching my iMac for a Windows machine. Then, over the Christmas break, I
>> did a clean install of Lion... totally erased my hard drive and re-installed
>> Lion, and my Safari busy problem is 95% better! It's once again a pleasure
>> to use my Mac. Might be worth a shot.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Russell
>> On 2012-02-17, at 8:03 PM, Olivia Norman wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Ricardo,
>>> I'm not at all familiar with Jaws at this point, haven't used it since
>>> 2007. Could you tell me a little more about what tandem does?
>>> I agree with everyone else about the constant busy bug in safari as well as
>>> the iCloud site.
>>> Olivia
>>> ,
>>> On Feb 17, 2012, at 6:31 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
>>>
>>>> lol,
>>>>
>>>> Yeah. These are all bugs that have gone, come back, and has left since
>>>> updating to Lion. Most I admit are just minor annoyances one just deals
>>>> with when using a computer but, the busy thing in Safari, thats just a bad
>>>> situation for a lot of people including myself. And I believe it can be
>>>> fixed since google chrome has no busy problem at all. I've heard that the
>>>> problem is with Safari not VO. Either which way, if no new feature was
>>>> added, and all they did was refine the features added in Lion, and squash
>>>> the busy bug, I would be reasonably happy.
>>>>
>>>> Ricardo Walker
>>>> ricardo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>>>> www.appletothecore.info
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 17, 2012, at 5:39 PM, Laura wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I absolutely second the bug quashing. I'm fortunate enough not to have
>>>>> all the ones you mention, but those I do have are frustrating enough. The
>>>>> busy in Safari, in particular, is really making Lion less enjoyable to
>>>>> use, despite many of the other really good features. And I was really
>>>>> disappointed in the iCloud site.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd also love to see Voiceover work more effectively with iWorks, and
>>>>> Pages especially. It does fine for most individual tasks, but for
>>>>> collaborative work, I've got to go back to Windows, and I can't see that
>>>>> changing until they get Voiceover to do a better job with track changes
>>>>> and comments. And on a similar theme, I'd like a few more customisation
>>>>> options. Something not unlike the options in JAWS, where it can react
>>>>> differently depending on the text attributes it encounters. At the
>>>>> moment, having every single text change spoken is far too much
>>>>> information, but just playing the same sound for all changes sometimes
>>>>> isn't enough. In fact, I'd welcome more customisation across the board,
>>>>> like being able to toggle individual VO sounds on and off, rather than it
>>>>> being an all or nothing deal.
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh, and if single key navigation could turn off automatically when you
>>>>> enter a form field, I think that would be a really big improvement. It
>>>>> was a feature I thought I'd love in Lion, and I don't use it at all. Some
>>>>> of that is that the rest of VO's functionality makes it much less
>>>>> necessary than it was with JAWS, but some of it is that I don't want to
>>>>> go back to what's really just the equivalent of the old JAWS version of
>>>>> forms mode.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 17 Feb 2012, at 00:11, Ricardo Walker wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I honestly hope they spend time working out the Voiceover bugs
>>>>>> introduced in Lion. Like the random pitch change with the premium
>>>>>> voices, the endless busy in Safari, Voiceover taking a million years to
>>>>>> come on at start up, or the reading of those phantom windows on start
>>>>>> up. As far as features, I would like to see an OCR feature like found
>>>>>> on a couple of windows screen readers. I think this will become
>>>>>> standard on all major screen readers. I would also like to see Apple
>>>>>> clean up the iCloud site. Its terrible from an accessibility stand
>>>>>> point. I would really like to see them add a remote feature for us to
>>>>>> help other Mac users like tandem in Jaws. This would be a big help to
>>>>>> IT folks, and those just willing to help others trouble shoot on the Mac.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ricardo Walker
>>>>>> ricardo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>>>>>> www.appletothecore.info
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Feb 16, 2012, at 1:02 PM, Ashley wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>> With the release of mac os 10.8 (mountain lion) nearing, what do you
>>>>>>> guys think we'll see in voiceover "4.0", the next version of Vo that
>>>>>>> will be included in this OS?
>>>>>>> ash
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