[macvoiceover] Re: Mountain lion voiceover speculation
- From: Suzanne Erb <suzerb1@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 12:58:59 -0500
Interestingly, I'm npt encountering the "Safari busy" problem, but I heartily
concur with these suggestions. I haven't tried Chrome yet, because I seem to
be doing okay with Webkit.Cheers,
Suzanne
On Feb 18, 2012, at 12:50 PM, Russell Solowoniuk wrote:
> Yes, I've tried Chrome and like it a lot too! It loads pages very fast!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Russell
> On 2012-02-18, at 7:17 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I've thought about doing this a few times. Although annoying, I don't think
>> I had the problem quite as bad as you did. I have pretty much switched over
>> to google chrome for my web browsing needs. I only use Safari for specific
>> tasks. For example, If reading articles online, I will use Safari so I can
>> use the article reader mode. Or, if I know I'm going to be visiting a site
>> with a lot of tables. Chrome is pretty good though. And no busies. lol.
>>
>> Ricardo Walker
>> ricardo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>> www.appletothecore.info
>>
>> On Feb 17, 2012, at 11:02 PM, Russell Solowoniuk wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Ricardo,
>>>
>>> I was so frustrated by the Safari busy problem I was seriously considering
>>> ditching my iMac for a Windows machine. Then, over the Christmas break, I
>>> did a clean install of Lion... totally erased my hard drive and
>>> re-installed Lion, and my Safari busy problem is 95% better! It's once
>>> again a pleasure to use my Mac. Might be worth a shot.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Russell
>>> On 2012-02-17, at 8:03 PM, Olivia Norman wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Ricardo,
>>>> I'm not at all familiar with Jaws at this point, haven't used it since
>>>> 2007. Could you tell me a little more about what tandem does?
>>>> I agree with everyone else about the constant busy bug in safari as well
>>>> as the iCloud site.
>>>> Olivia
>>>> ,
>>>> On Feb 17, 2012, at 6:31 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> lol,
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah. These are all bugs that have gone, come back, and has left since
>>>>> updating to Lion. Most I admit are just minor annoyances one just deals
>>>>> with when using a computer but, the busy thing in Safari, thats just a
>>>>> bad situation for a lot of people including myself. And I believe it can
>>>>> be fixed since google chrome has no busy problem at all. I've heard that
>>>>> the problem is with Safari not VO. Either which way, if no new feature
>>>>> was added, and all they did was refine the features added in Lion, and
>>>>> squash the busy bug, I would be reasonably happy.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ricardo Walker
>>>>> ricardo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>>>>> www.appletothecore.info
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 17, 2012, at 5:39 PM, Laura wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I absolutely second the bug quashing. I'm fortunate enough not to have
>>>>>> all the ones you mention, but those I do have are frustrating enough.
>>>>>> The busy in Safari, in particular, is really making Lion less enjoyable
>>>>>> to use, despite many of the other really good features. And I was really
>>>>>> disappointed in the iCloud site.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd also love to see Voiceover work more effectively with iWorks, and
>>>>>> Pages especially. It does fine for most individual tasks, but for
>>>>>> collaborative work, I've got to go back to Windows, and I can't see that
>>>>>> changing until they get Voiceover to do a better job with track changes
>>>>>> and comments. And on a similar theme, I'd like a few more customisation
>>>>>> options. Something not unlike the options in JAWS, where it can react
>>>>>> differently depending on the text attributes it encounters. At the
>>>>>> moment, having every single text change spoken is far too much
>>>>>> information, but just playing the same sound for all changes sometimes
>>>>>> isn't enough. In fact, I'd welcome more customisation across the board,
>>>>>> like being able to toggle individual VO sounds on and off, rather than
>>>>>> it being an all or nothing deal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh, and if single key navigation could turn off automatically when you
>>>>>> enter a form field, I think that would be a really big improvement. It
>>>>>> was a feature I thought I'd love in Lion, and I don't use it at all.
>>>>>> Some of that is that the rest of VO's functionality makes it much less
>>>>>> necessary than it was with JAWS, but some of it is that I don't want to
>>>>>> go back to what's really just the equivalent of the old JAWS version of
>>>>>> forms mode.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 17 Feb 2012, at 00:11, Ricardo Walker wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I honestly hope they spend time working out the Voiceover bugs
>>>>>>> introduced in Lion. Like the random pitch change with the premium
>>>>>>> voices, the endless busy in Safari, Voiceover taking a million years to
>>>>>>> come on at start up, or the reading of those phantom windows on start
>>>>>>> up. As far as features, I would like to see an OCR feature like found
>>>>>>> on a couple of windows screen readers. I think this will become
>>>>>>> standard on all major screen readers. I would also like to see Apple
>>>>>>> clean up the iCloud site. Its terrible from an accessibility stand
>>>>>>> point. I would really like to see them add a remote feature for us to
>>>>>>> help other Mac users like tandem in Jaws. This would be a big help to
>>>>>>> IT folks, and those just willing to help others trouble shoot on the
>>>>>>> Mac.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ricardo Walker
>>>>>>> ricardo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>>>>>>> www.appletothecore.info
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Feb 16, 2012, at 1:02 PM, Ashley wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>> With the release of mac os 10.8 (mountain lion) nearing, what do you
>>>>>>>> guys think we'll see in voiceover "4.0", the next version of Vo that
>>>>>>>> will be included in this OS?
>>>>>>>> ash
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